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	\|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" \| And thanks for your contributions to Mises Wiki. You make this a lot more of a fun (and less lonely) place to work for the advancement of liberty. [[User:~~Leucosticte~~\|~~Leucosticte~~]] ([[User talk:~~Leucosticte~~\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)		\|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" \| And thanks for your contributions to Mises Wiki. You make this a lot more of a fun (and less lonely) place to work for the advancement of liberty. [[User:FormerContributor-78162cb3\|FormerContributor-78162cb3]] ([[User talk:FormerContributor-78162cb3\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)
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	For the most part, you quietly labour in your own spheres of interest and treat others with Misesian [[tolerance]], but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.		For the most part, you quietly labour in your own spheres of interest and treat others with Misesian [[tolerance]], but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.
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	He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!		He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!

	''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:~~Leucosticte~~\|~~Leucosticte~~]] ([[User talk:~~Leucosticte~~\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)		''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:FormerContributor-78162cb3\|FormerContributor-78162cb3]] ([[User talk:FormerContributor-78162cb3\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)

	: Love that song! Thank you for the barnstar, and the narcissistic piece. :)		: Love that song! Thank you for the barnstar, and the narcissistic piece. :)

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	''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)		''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)

			: Love that song! Thank you for the barnstar, and the narcissistic piece. :)

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	For the most part, you quietly labour in your own spheres of interest but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.		For the most part, you quietly labour in your own spheres of interest and treat others with Misesian [[tolerance]], but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.

	He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!		He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!

	''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)		''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)

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	For the most part, you quietly ~~toil away~~ in your own spheres of interest but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.		For the most part, you quietly labour in your own spheres of interest but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.

	He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!		He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!

	''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)		''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)

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	But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)		But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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	But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)		But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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			For the most part, you quietly toil away in your own spheres of interest but also say what needs to be said when the times come to say it, yet in a very diplomatic way. I have to admire your skills and dedication to the project; I sometimes think that you are to Mises Wiki what Paul McCartney was to ''The Beatles''. But then, perhaps, I overly flatter myself by thinking of myself as the John Lennon. But that kind of narcissism is very typical of me, as indeed it [http://listverse.com/2012/05/12/top-10-unpleasant-facts-about-john-lennon/ apparently] was of Lennon too.

			He was kind of a wikidragon before wikidragons even existed. A musicdragon, perhaps! A [http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578410522536037666 diva], perhaps. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200512/field-guide-narcissism Whatever one may say about divas/narcissists], probably there's only room in society for a certain number because if everyone were that way, they would get in arguments about who's the most important. Even this thread shows manifestations of narcissism, since I turned a post that was about awarding a barnstar into being all about me. Might as well cue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk the soundtrack]!

			''The Beatles'' incidentally are to admired at least for not altruistically donating all their income to a regime that wanted to seize 99 percent of it, although I'm not sure they even could have operated under those financial constraints, so maybe it was a case of doing what they needed to do to survive. [[User:Leucosticte\|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte\|talk]]) 03:20, 5 January 2014 (EST)

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	"Austrian economists are not fooled, because they reject the idea of empirical data in the validation of theory in the social sciences. Reason is the only tool available for economic discovery."[http://mises.org/daily/3482/Only-Criminals-Use-Honest-Money] I thought sciences arrived at their conclusions by means of [[evidence]] gleaned through experimentation and observation ([[induction]]), while philosophies relied solely on reasoning that applies [[logic]] to some [[ultimate given]]s ([[deduction]]). Which should we consider economics to be? I guess the answer depends partly on [https://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae7_2_7.pdf whether philosophy is itself a science]. "Other German philosophers saw philosophy itself as a science, indeed as a rigorous science in something like the [[Menger]]ian sense." But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)		"Austrian economists are not fooled, because they reject the idea of empirical data in the validation of theory in the social sciences. Reason is the only tool available for economic discovery."[http://mises.org/daily/3482/Only-Criminals-Use-Honest-Money] I thought sciences arrived at their conclusions by means of [[evidence]] gleaned through experimentation and observation ([[induction]]), while philosophies relied solely on reasoning that applies [[logic]] to some [[ultimate given]]s ([[deduction]]). Which should we consider economics to be? I guess the answer depends partly on [https://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae7_2_7.pdf whether philosophy is itself a science]. "Other German philosophers saw philosophy itself as a science, indeed as a rigorous science in something like the [[Menger]]ian sense."

			But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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	"Austrian economists are not fooled, because they reject the idea of empirical data in the validation of theory in the social sciences. Reason is the only tool available for economic discovery."[http://mises.org/daily/3482/Only-Criminals-Use-Honest-Money] I thought sciences arrived at their conclusions by means of [[evidence]] gleaned through experimentation and observation ([[induction]]), while philosophies relied solely on reasoning that applies [[logic]] to some [[ultimate given]]s ([[deduction]]). Which should we consider economics to be? [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)		"Austrian economists are not fooled, because they reject the idea of empirical data in the validation of theory in the social sciences. Reason is the only tool available for economic discovery."[http://mises.org/daily/3482/Only-Criminals-Use-Honest-Money] I thought sciences arrived at their conclusions by means of [[evidence]] gleaned through experimentation and observation ([[induction]]), while philosophies relied solely on reasoning that applies [[logic]] to some [[ultimate given]]s ([[deduction]]). Which should we consider economics to be? I guess the answer depends partly on [https://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae7_2_7.pdf whether philosophy is itself a science]. "Other German philosophers saw philosophy itself as a science, indeed as a rigorous science in something like the [[Menger]]ian sense." But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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	::I wouldn't mind more North Korean refugees coming to the U.S.; I think I'd probably prefer a lot of them to some of the people currently here. Of course, Mises wrote "As conditions are today, the Americas and Australia in admitting German, Italian, and Japanese immigrants would merely open their doors to the vanguards of hostile armies." He probably based that on the experience of Austria, in which the immigration of certain Germans paved the way for the Anschluss. Likewise, the migration of Americans to Texas paved the way for taking over that territory from Mexico. I just don't see North Koreans as likely to take over the U.S., though, given the difference in population and wealth between the two countries. [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 20:07, 20 November 2013 (MSK)		::I wouldn't mind more North Korean refugees coming to the U.S.; I think I'd probably prefer a lot of them to some of the people currently here. Of course, Mises wrote "As conditions are today, the Americas and Australia in admitting German, Italian, and Japanese immigrants would merely open their doors to the vanguards of hostile armies." He probably based that on the experience of Austria, in which the immigration of certain Germans paved the way for the Anschluss. Likewise, the migration of Americans to Texas paved the way for taking over that territory from Mexico. I just don't see North Koreans as likely to take over the U.S., though, given the difference in population and wealth between the two countries. [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 20:07, 20 November 2013 (MSK)

			== Economics: science or philosophy? ==

			"Austrian economists are not fooled, because they reject the idea of empirical data in the validation of theory in the social sciences. Reason is the only tool available for economic discovery."[http://mises.org/daily/3482/Only-Criminals-Use-Honest-Money] I thought sciences arrived at their conclusions by means of [[evidence]] gleaned through experimentation and observation ([[induction]]), while philosophies relied solely on reasoning that applies [[logic]] to some [[ultimate given]]s ([[deduction]]). Which should we consider economics to be? [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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	But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)		But I guess Mises [http://mises.org/books/ufofes/prelim3.aspx regarded] economics as, although a science, one that must proceed according to a different pattern than other sciences. Then of course we have [http://classroom.mises.org/index.php?showtopic=5 this whole debate]. What perhaps confuses the issue is that Mises includes a lot of historical interpretation and political commentary only tangentially related to economics in books like ''Human Action''. That's part of what I love about those books, because otherwise several hundred pages of economics might get monotonous, but it probably contributes to the perception that Austrian economics is more a political philosophy than science. But, if the shoe fits... [[User:Nathan Larson\|Nathan Larson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Larson\|talk]]) 01:54, 6 December 2013 (MSK)

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