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		<title>Pestergaines: +food</title>
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		<updated>2013-03-24T16:00:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;+food&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:00, 24 March 2013&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l4&quot;&gt;Line 4:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here&amp;#039;s an attempt to find something out about the role of IP protection in those industries:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here&amp;#039;s an attempt to find something out about the role of IP protection in those industries:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072706.html fashion] - none or small? (Does not include things like trademarks or logos.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072706.html fashion] - none or small? (Does not include things like trademarks or logos.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* [http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/02/10/the-law-of-recipes-are-recipes-patentable/id=22223/ food recipes] can be patented, but it&#039;s not easy&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102?quicktabs_8=2#quicktabs-8 automobile] - some possibility to patent the &amp;quot;non-functional&amp;quot; parts of the design&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102?quicktabs_8=2#quicktabs-8 automobile] - some possibility to patent the &amp;quot;non-functional&amp;quot; parts of the design&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://furninfo.com/Furniture%20Industry%20News%20Archive/11012 furniture], ditto, but seems to be difficult ([http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/appeals-court-denies-copyright-claim-411452 example] - but the situation in [http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2182475/Change-copyright-laws-threatens-furniture-makers-thousands-jobs.html UK] appears to be [http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2012/nov/15/faking-it-copyright-bill-damage-design different])&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://furninfo.com/Furniture%20Industry%20News%20Archive/11012 furniture], ditto, but seems to be difficult ([http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/appeals-court-denies-copyright-claim-411452 example] - but the situation in [http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2182475/Change-copyright-laws-threatens-furniture-makers-thousands-jobs.html UK] appears to be [http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2012/nov/15/faking-it-copyright-bill-damage-design different])&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.patentbaristas.com/archives/2010/01/19/smelly-rights-copyright-in-perfume/ perfume] can be copyrightable, but it also has some [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/13skin.html?pagewanted=all&amp;amp;_r=0 complications]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.patentbaristas.com/archives/2010/01/19/smelly-rights-copyright-in-perfume/ perfume] can be copyrightable, but it also has some [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/13skin.html?pagewanted=all&amp;amp;_r=0 complications]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Pestergaines</name></author>
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		<title>Pestergaines: About changes.</title>
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		<updated>2013-03-24T15:41:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;About changes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==About industries without IP==&lt;br /&gt;
I have been alerted that the listing of industries &amp;quot;without IP&amp;quot; (quoted from Johanna Blakley&amp;#039;s TED Talk) is quite controversial and there are still some forms of IP protection. The &amp;#039;&amp;#039;numerical&amp;#039;&amp;#039; estimate of their magnitude, actually a comparison of Low-IP vs. High-IP industries is then similarly compromised (plus it leaves out major industries and makes it a judgement call as to what is &amp;quot;High-IP&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Low-IP&amp;quot;). I&amp;#039;ve removed and changed the [[Without Intellectual Property#Industries without IP|section]] correspondingly.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&amp;#039;s an attempt to find something out about the role of IP protection in those industries:&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072706.html fashion] - none or small? (Does not include things like trademarks or logos.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102?quicktabs_8=2#quicktabs-8 automobile] - some possibility to patent the &amp;quot;non-functional&amp;quot; parts of the design&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://furninfo.com/Furniture%20Industry%20News%20Archive/11012 furniture], ditto, but seems to be difficult ([http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/appeals-court-denies-copyright-claim-411452 example] - but the situation in [http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2182475/Change-copyright-laws-threatens-furniture-makers-thousands-jobs.html UK] appears to be [http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2012/nov/15/faking-it-copyright-bill-damage-design different])&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_rights_to_magic_methods magic tricks] may accrue some protection, although it may difficult to achieve and may be [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7722521.stm counter-productive]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/can-you-patent-a-hairdo/Content?oid=1197205 hairdos] might be patentable&lt;br /&gt;
* [[open source software]] - need one say more?&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.copyright.gov/reports/dbase.html databases] require &amp;quot;creative originality&amp;quot; to get copyright protection and it also may be counterproductive or difficult to achieve&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.artscouncilofrockland.org/userfiles/downloads/Tattoo%20Copyrights.pdf tattoos] apparently can be copyrighted!&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/can-jokes-copyrighted-10112.html jokes] can be copyrighted in some instances (especially in written form, on videos and recordings), but that can be difficult, particularly with short jokes&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://dearrichblog.blogspot.de/2008/07/can-you-copyright-fireworks.html fireworks] by themselves apparently can&amp;#039;t be copyrighted (pictures, films, etc. can be)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html game rules] as such apparently can&amp;#039;t be copyrighted, but the &amp;quot;written element&amp;quot; may be registered as a literary work; note also [http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/493249/mythbusting-game-design-and-copyright-trademarks-a this] and [http://www.quora.com/Game-Design/Can-game-dynamics-and-or-game-rules-get-a-patent this] - it seems like game rules can be patented but people can still create copycats&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.patentbaristas.com/archives/2010/01/19/smelly-rights-copyright-in-perfume/ perfume] can be copyrightable, but it also has some [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/13skin.html?pagewanted=all&amp;amp;_r=0 complications]&lt;br /&gt;
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First try. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] ([[User talk:Pestergaines|talk]]) 18:41, 24 March 2013 (MSK)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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