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User talk:Forgottenman

2010-11-17T06:07:29Z

Wesleybruce: /* Innovation and original work. */

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== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit" and this restricts their investment and banking options and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?
[[User:Wesleybruce|Wesleybruce]] 00:07, 17 November 2010 (CST)

User talk:Forgottenman

2010-11-17T06:07:08Z

Wesleybruce: /* Innovation and original work. */

User talk:Forgottenman

2010-11-17T06:06:26Z

Wesleybruce: /* Innovation and original work. */

<div style="text-align:center; font-size:larger;">'''This is my talk page'''. Click the "New section" tab ("+") above to start a new topic, or simply <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.mises.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Forgottenman&action=edit&section=new click here]</span>. <br />Sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> when you're finished, and click "Save page." Thanks!</div>

== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit and this restricts their investment and banking options" and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?

User talk:Forgottenman

2010-11-17T05:50:25Z

Wesleybruce:

<div style="text-align:center; font-size:larger;">'''This is my talk page'''. Click the "New section" tab ("+") above to start a new topic, or simply <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.mises.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Forgottenman&action=edit&section=new click here]</span>. <br />Sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> when you're finished, and click "Save page." Thanks!</div>

== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months. ], often because they are "not for profit" and often because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [yes I know she's not an austrian but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?

Pollution

2010-11-17T04:28:45Z

Wesleybruce: Soil pollution is a problem particularly where the land use changes: I.E. The Love canal case.

'''Pollution''', that is, the contamination of air, water and soil with harmful substances, is often used as an example of a [[tragedy of the commons]].

==External links==
*[http://mises.org/daily/2120 Law, Property Rights, and Air Pollution]
*[http://mises.org/daily/4464 Pollution and Government Failure in China] by Eric M. Staib, June 2010
*[http://mises.org/daily/4288 The Cairo Garbage Calamity] by Anders Mikkelsen, May 2010

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