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'''Argumentation ethics''', a form of discourse ethics that attempts to establish normative or ethical truths by examining the presuppositions of discourse, is a defense of [[libertarianism]] rights asserting that argumentation, or discourse, is by its nature a conflict-free way of interacting and requires individual control of resources.

==Justification==
The argument by [[Hans-Hermann Hoppe]], a modern proponent of argumentation ethics, goes that an individual cannot consistently deny, in the course of argumentation, any of those things which the argument, or discourse, presupposes; doing so is to perform a performative contradiction.

According to the theory, certain norms are presupposed as true by anyone engaging in genuine discourse.

===Hoppe's Rationale===

The rationale on behalf of argumentation ethics is found on page 334 of Hoppe's book ''[[The Economics and Ethics of Private Property]]''.

<blockquote>Argumentation does not consist of free-floating propositions but is a form of [[action]] requiring the employment of [[Scarcity|scarce]] means; and that the means which a person demonstrates as preferring by engaging in propositional exchanges are those of private [[property]]. For one thing, no one could possibly propose anything, and no one could become convinced of any proposition by argumentative means, if a person’s right to make exclusive use of his physical body were not already presupposed. It is this recognition of each other’s mutually exclusive control over one’s own body which explains the distinctive character of propositional exchanges that, while one may disagree about what has been said, it is still possible to agree at least on the fact that there is disagreement. It is also obvious that such a property right to one’s own body must be said to be justified ''a priori'', for anyone who tried to justify any norm whatsoever would already have to presuppose the exclusive right of control over his body as a valid norm simply in order to say, “I propose such and such.” Anyone disputing such a right would become caught up in a practical contradiction since arguing so would already imply acceptance of the very norm which he was disputing.</blockquote>

==Criticisms==

One criticism is that argumentation ethics conflates the ontological concept of control of one's self with the ethical concept of self-ownership. That is to say, just as someone has the ability to control one's self, that does not give rise to why another ought to refrain from physically interfering with that control.

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Category talk:Argumentation

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We need to think about what this category is meant to include. Right now I see:

*Articles related to argumentation in itself
*Articles giving arguments for and against positions in a controversy
*Articles on historical and future debates
*An article on a particular country's political system

To me, only the first one really fits within this category, but the second could fit as well, if defined. I like the idea of [[Argumentation:ABCT]], but less so [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking]]. And the last two types especially don't seem to belong.

Other thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:00, 27 January 2011 (CST)

: Why are you ruling me by reverts and witless comments (''rv; use existing categories rather than nonexistent ones, and if anything fits in Category:Argumentation, it's this''), when you have no solution, and when you are clear that "Argumentation (cat)" doesn't mean "Argumentation (ethics concept)"? --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
: Second issue: "Argumentation ethic" is a concept but not an economic concept unless all concepts are economic concepts. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::[[:Category:Concepts]] does not exist. [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]]. There is no inconsistency, and putting articles in categories that do not exist is not helpful.
::Before claiming that others are "ruling you," consider that you might be wrong, and that the opinion of others (like the creator of this category and others who have added to it) merits consideration as well. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:51, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::: Do you know who is wrong? Of course, [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]] when it is written as articles. What's the point? When a Category is missing, one should create it. Clear the sense of existing pages before. In the meantime I will use it as wiki, as it is. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 09:01, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::::Excellent. This is indeed a wiki, which is why I can revert edits that are unhelpful (like adding articles to nonexistent categories) and you can perform edits that are helpful (like creating new categories for which you perceive a need). Are you now going to fix the structure, so this category is part of [[:Category:Concepts]], and put [[Argumentation ethics]] back in [[:Category:Argumentation]]? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:14, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::::: I don't fall into quibbling. The ready progress is helpful. You are reverting the progress on the way. And I am not aware what should be wrong about [[:Category:Argumentation]], as it is described, aside from the point that the name is unhappily choosen. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 09:39, 27 January 2011 (CST)

Category talk:Argumentation

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We need to think about what this category is meant to include. Right now I see:

*Articles related to argumentation in itself
*Articles giving arguments for and against positions in a controversy
*Articles on historical and future debates
*An article on a particular country's political system

To me, only the first one really fits within this category, but the second could fit as well, if defined. I like the idea of [[Argumentation:ABCT]], but less so [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking]]. And the last two types especially don't seem to belong.

Other thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:00, 27 January 2011 (CST)

: Why are you ruling me by reverts and witless comments (''rv; use existing categories rather than nonexistent ones, and if anything fits in Category:Argumentation, it's this''), when you have no solution, and when you are clear that "Argumentation (cat)" doesn't mean "Argumentation (ethics concept)"? --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
: Second issue: "Argumentation ethic" is a concept but not an economic concept unless all concepts are economic concepts. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::[[:Category:Concepts]] does not exist. [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]]. There is no inconsistency, and putting articles in categories that do not exist is not helpful.
::Before claiming that others are "ruling you," consider that you might be wrong, and that the opinion of others (like the creator of this category and others who have added to it) merits consideration as well. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:51, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::: Do you know who is wrong? Of course, [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]] when it is written as arcticles. What's the point? When a Category is missing, one should create it. Clear the sense of existing pages before. In the meantime I will use it as wiki, as it is. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 09:01, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::::Excellent. This is indeed a wiki, which is why I can revert edits that are unhelpful (like adding articles to nonexistent categories) and you can perform edits that are helpful (like creating new categories for which you perceive a need). Are you now going to fix the structure, so this category is part of [[:Category:Concepts]], and put [[Argumentation ethics]] back in [[:Category:Argumentation]]? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:14, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::::: I don't fall into quibbling. The ready progress is helpful. You are reverting the progress on the way. And I am not aware what should be wrong about [[:Category:Argumentation]], as it is described, aside from the point that the name is choosen hapless. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 09:39, 27 January 2011 (CST)

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Category talk:Argumentation

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We need to think about what this category is meant to include. Right now I see:

*Articles related to argumentation in itself
*Articles giving arguments for and against positions in a controversy
*Articles on historical and future debates
*An article on a particular country's political system

To me, only the first one really fits within this category, but the second could fit as well, if defined. I like the idea of [[Argumentation:ABCT]], but less so [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking]]. And the last two types especially don't seem to belong.

Other thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:00, 27 January 2011 (CST)

: Why are you ruling me by reverts and witless comments (''rv; use existing categories rather than nonexistent ones, and if anything fits in Category:Argumentation, it's this''), when you have no solution, and when you are clear that "Argumentation (cat)" doesn't mean "Argumentation (ethics concept)"? --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
: Second issue: "Argumentation ethic" is a concept but not an economic concept unless all concepts are economic concepts. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:40, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::[[:Category:Concepts]] does not exist. [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]]. There is no inconsistency, and putting articles in categories that do not exist is not helpful.
::Before claiming that others are "ruling you," consider that you might be wrong, and that the opinion of others (like the creator of this category and others who have added to it) merits consideration as well. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:51, 27 January 2011 (CST)
::: Do you know who is wrong? Of course, [[:Category:Argumentation]] is in [[:Category:Articles]] when it is written as arcticles. What's the point? When a Category is missing, one should create it. Clear the sense of existing pages before. In the meantime I will use it as wiki, as it is. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 09:01, 27 January 2011 (CST)

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The '''Austrian School of Economics''' derives its name from its Austrian founders and early supporters, including [[Carl Menger]], [[Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk]] and [[Ludwig von Mises]]. Other significant Austrian writers and economists include [[Murray Rothbard]], Nobel Laureate [[Friedrich Hayek]] and [[Henry Hazlitt]]. Current research is produced by, among many others, scholars from the [[Mises Institute|Ludwig von Mises Institute]], and "Austrian" economists can now come from any part of the world. They are identified with the School through their shared views on the nature of economic science and its proper methodology.

The School emphasizes the spontaneous organizing power of the price mechanism and holds that the complexity of subjective human choices makes mathematical modeling of the evolving market extremely difficult (or impossible) and therefore its scholars eschew what they consider "naïve" and pointless mathematical modelling of the economy, considering much of mainstream economics a form of economic charlatanism.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/3582 Keynesians Can't Predict], L. Albert Hahn, ''The Freeman'', October 6, 1952</ref> Its proponents tend to advocate the strong protection of private property rights and the strict enforcement of voluntary contractual agreements between economic agents, but otherwise advocate a laissez faire approach to the economy and hold that the smallest imposition of coercive force (especially government-imposed force) on commercial transactions is the most effective way to secure long-run economic stability and wellbeing.

In particular, they argue for an extremely limited role for government regulation in commercial affairs and the smallest possible amount centralized government intervention in the economy, especially in the area of money production (advocating instead the abolition of coercive [[legal tender]] laws and the return to full reserve - or free - banking, where the financial system is decentralized and not dominated or controlled by [[monopoly]] government or a [[monopoly]] central bank).

==History==
While the Austrian School of Economics has connections as far as 15th century, it began with notable 19th century economists of Austrian origin. Austrian economists no longer need to be from Austria, and the term describes a particular school of economic thought rather than the nationality of its practitioners.

===Pre-Austrian Economists===
With noted contributions of earlier thinkers, like [[Nicole Oresme]], the Austrian school traces its roots to the followers of St. Thomas Aquinas, writing and teaching at the [[School of Salamanca|University of Salamanca]] in Spain.

These Late Scholastics established the first modern economic theories and argued, in current terms, for free [[trade]] and property rights. Over the course of several generations, they discovered and explained the laws of [[supply]] and [[demand]], the cause of [[inflation]], the operation of foreign exchange rates, and the subjective nature of economic [[value]]. They were advocates of property rights and the freedom to contract and trade. "Austrians share the scholastic belief that there is no such thing as an economic science dealing with autonomous variables. Economic problems are aspects of larger social phenomena; and it is most expedient to deal with them as such, rather than to analyze them in some twisted separation."<ref name="Hulsmann_scholastics">Jörg Guido Hülsmann. [http://www.mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf "Ethics of Money Production"], online version, Introduction p. 12, referenced 2009-05-10.</ref>

The first general treatise on economics, [http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/cantillon/index.html Essay on the Nature of Commerce], was written in 1730 by [[Richard Cantillon]], a man schooled in the scholastic tradition. Born in Ireland, he emigrated to France. He saw economics as an independent area of investigation, and explained the formation of [[price]]s using the "thought experiment." He understood the market as an entrepreneurial process, and held to an Austrian theory of money creation: that it enters the economy in a step-by-step fashion, disrupting prices along the way.

Cantillon was followed by [[Anne Robert Jacques Turgot]], the pro-market French aristocrat and finance minister under the ''ancien regime'', one of the [[Physiocrats]]. His economic writings were few but profound. His paper "Value and Money" spelled out the origins of money, and the nature of economic choice: that it reflects the subjective rankings of an individual's preferences. Turgot solved the famous [[Wikipedia:Paradox of value|diamond-water paradox]] that baffled later classical economists, articulated the law of diminishing returns, and criticized usury laws (a sticking point with the Late Scholastics). He favored a classical liberal approach to economic policy, recommending a repeal of all special privileges granted to government-connected industries.

Turgot was the intellectual father of a long line of great French economists of the eighteenth and nineteenth century, most prominently [[Jean-Baptiste Say]] and [[Frederic Bastiat|Claude-Frederic Bastiat]]. Say was the first economist to think deeply about economic method. He realized that economics is not about the amassing of data, but rather about the verbal elucidation of universal facts (for example, wants are unlimited, means are scarce) and their logical implications.

Say discovered the productivity theory of resource pricing, the role of [[capital]] in the division of labor, and "[[Say's Law]]": there can never be sustained "overproduction" or "underconsumption" on the free market if prices are allowed to adjust. He was a defender of laissez-faire and the industrial revolution, as was Bastiat. As a free-market journalist, Bastiat also argued that nonmaterial services are subject to the same economic laws as material [[good]]s. In one of his many economic allegories, Bastiat spelled out the "[[Parable of the broken window|broken-window fallacy]]" later popularized by [[Henry Hazlitt]].

Despite the theoretical sophistication of this developing pre-Austrian tradition, the [[Wikipedia:Classical economics|British school]] of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries won the day, mostly for political reasons. This British tradition (based on the objective-cost and labor-productivity theory of value) ultimately led to the rise of the Marxist doctrine of capitalist exploitation.

===The First Austrians===
The dominant British tradition received its first serious challenge in many years when [[Carl Menger]]'s [[Wikipedia:Principles of Economics|Principles of Economics]] ([http://mises.org/etexts/menger/principles.asp text]) was published in 1871. Menger, the founder of the Austrian School proper, resurrected the Scholastic-French approach to economics, and put it on firmer ground.

Together with the contemporaneous writings of [[Wikipedia:Leon Walras|Leon Walras]] and [[Wikipedia:William Stanley Jevons|Stanley Jevons]], Menger spelled out the subjective basis of [[Value|economic value]], and fully explained, for the first time, the theory of [[Utility|marginal utility]] (the greater the number of units of a [[good]] that an individual possesses, the less he will value any given unit). In addition, Menger showed how money originates in a free market when the most marketable [[commodity]] is desired, not for consumption, but for use in trading for other goods.

Menger's book was a pillar of the "[[Wikipedia:Marginalist revolution#The_Marginal_Revolution|marginalist revolution"]] in the history of economic science. When Mises said it "made an economist" out of him, he was not only referring to Menger's theory of money and prices, but also his approach to the discipline itself. Like his predecessors in the tradition, Menger was a classical liberal and methodological individualist, viewing economics as the science of individual choice. His Investigations, which came out twelve years later, battled the [[Wikipedia:Historical school of economics|German Historical School]], which rejected theory and saw economics as the accumulation of data in service of the state. They took great exception to his defense of "theory" and gave the work of Menger and his followers the derogatory name "Austrian school" because of their faculty positions at the University of Vienna. The term stuck.<ref name="School">[http://mises.org/about/3467#Austrian_Economics "FAQ: What is Austrian Economics"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-27.</ref>

As professor of economics at the University of Vienna, and then tutor to the young but ill-fated [[Wikipedia:Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria|Crown Prince Rudol]]f of the House of Habsburg, Menger restored economics as the science of human action based on deductive logic, and prepared the way for later theorists to counter the influence of socialist thought. Indeed, his student [[Wikipedia:Friederich von Wieser|Friederich von Wieser]] strongly influenced Friedrich von Hayek's later writings. Menger's work remains an excellent introduction to the economic way of thinking.

Menger's admirer and follower at the University of Innsbruck, [[Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk]], took Menger's exposition, reformulated it, and applied it to a host of new problems involving [[value]], [[price]], [[capital]], and interest. His [[Wikipedia:Capital and Interest|History and Critique of Interest Theories]] ([http://mises.org/books/capitalandinterest.pdf pdf]), appearing in 1884, is a sweeping account of fallacies in the history of thought and a firm defense of the idea that the interest rate is not an artificial construct but an inherent part of the market. It reflects the universal fact of "[[time preference]]," the tendency of people to prefer satisfaction of wants sooner rather than later (a theory later expanded and defended by [[Wikipedia:Frank Fetter|Frank Fetter]]<ref name="Fetter">Jeffrey Herbener. [http://mises.org/about/3231 "Frank A. Fetter (1863-1949): A Forgotten Giant"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-28.</ref>).

Böhm-Bawerk's ''Positive Theory of Capital'' ([http://mises.org/books/positivetheory.pdf pdf]) demonstrated that the normal rate of business profit is the interest rate. Capitalists [[Saving|save]] money, pay laborers, and wait until the final product is sold to receive profit. In addition, he demonstrated that [[capital]] is not homogeneous but an intricate and diverse structure that has a time dimension. A growing economy is not just a consequence of increased capital investment, but also of longer and longer processes of production.

Böhm-Bawerk engaged in a prolonged battle with the [[Wikipedia:Marxian Economics|Marxists]] over the exploitation theory of capital, and refuted the socialist doctrine of capital and wages long before the communists came to power in Russia. Böhm-Bawerk also conducted a seminar that would later become the model for Mises's own Vienna seminar.

Böhm-Bawerk favored policies that deferred to the ever-present reality of economic law. He regarded interventionism as an attack on market economic forces that cannot succeed in the long run. In the last years of the Habsburg monarchy, he three times served as finance minister, fighting for balanced budgets, sound money and the [[gold standard]], free trade, and the repeal of export subsidies and other monopoly privileges.

===Mises and Hayek===
It was Böhm-Bawerk's research and writing that solidified the status of the Austrian School as a unified way of looking at economic problems, and set the stage for the School to make huge inroads in the English-speaking world. But one area where Böhm-Bawerk had not elaborated on the analysis of Menger was [[money]], the institutional intersection of the "micro" and "macro" approach. The young [[Ludwig von Mises]]<ref name="Mises">Murray N. Rothbard. [http://mises.org/about/3248 "Ludwig von Mises (1881-1973)"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-26.</ref>, economic advisor to the Austrian Chamber of Commerce, took on the challenge.

The result of Mises's research was ''[[The Theory of Money and Credit]]'' ([http://mises.org/books/Theory_Money_Credit/Contents.aspx text]), published in 1912. He spelled out how the theory of [[Utility|marginal utility]] applies to [[money]], and laid out his "regression theorem," showing that money not only originates in the market, but must always do so. Drawing on the [[British Currency School|British Currency School]], [[Wikipedia:Knut Wicksell|Knut Wicksell]]'s theory of [[interest rate]]s, and Böhm-Bawerk's theory of the structure of production, Mises presented the broad outline of the [[Austrian Business Cycle Theory|Austrian theory of the business cycle]]. A year later, Mises was appointed to the faculty of the University of Vienna, and Böhm-Bawerk's seminar spent a full two semesters debating Mises's book.

Mises's career was interrupted for four years by [[Wikipedia:World War I|World War I]]. He spent three of those years as an artillery officer, and one as a staff officer in economic intelligence. 1919, at war's end, he published ''Nation, State, and Economy'' ([http://mises.org/nsande.asp text]), arguing on behalf of the economic and cultural freedoms of minorities in the now-shattered empire, and spelling out a theory of the economics of war. Meanwhile, Mises's monetary theory received attention in the U.S. through the work of [[Benjamin Anderson|Benjamin M. Anderson, Jr.]]<ref name="Anderson">Mark Thornton. [http://mises.org/about/3226 "Benjamin Anderson (1886-1949)"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-26.</ref>, an economist at Chase National Bank. (Mises's book was panned by [[John Maynard Keynes]], who later admitted he could not read German.{{Fact|reason=It would be cool to quote this somewhere.}})

In the political chaos after the war, the main theoretician of the now-socialist Austrian government was Marxist [[Wikipedia:Otto Bauer|Otto Bauer]]. Knowing Bauer from the Böhm-Bawerk seminar, Mises explained economics to him night after night, eventually convincing him to back away from Bolshevik-style policies.{{fact|reason=It would be great to have a resource on this.}} The Austrian socialists never forgave Mises for this, waging war against him in academic politics and successfully preventing him from getting a paid professorship at the university.

Undeterred, Mises turned to the problem of socialism itself, writing a blockbuster essay in 1921, which he turned into the book ''[[Socialism (book)|Socialism]]'' ([http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx text]) over the next two years. Socialism permits no private property or exchange in [[Capital|capital goods]], and thus no way for resources to find their most highly valued use. Socialism, Mises predicted, would result in utter chaos and the end of civilization.

Mises challenged the socialists to explain, in economic terms, precisely how their system would work, a task which the socialists had hitherto avoided. The debate between the Austrians and the socialists continued for the next decade and beyond, and, until the collapse of world socialism in 1989, academics had long thought that the debate was resolved in favor of the socialists.

Meanwhile, Mises's arguments on behalf of the free market attracted a group of converts from the socialist cause, including [[Friedrich Hayek|Hayek]], [[Wilhelm Roepke]]<ref name="Roepke">Shawn Ritenour. [http://mises.org/about/3241 "Wilhelm Röpke (1899-1966): Humane Economist"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-27.</ref> , and [[Wikipedia:Lionel Robbins|Lionel Robbins]]. Mises began holding a private seminar in his offices at the Chamber of Commerce that was attended by [[Wikipedia:Fritz Machlup|Fritz Machlup]]<ref name="Machlup">Mark Thornton. [http://mises.org/about/3237 "Biography of Fritz Machlup (1902-1983)"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-27.</ref>, [[Wikipedia:Oskar Morgenstern|Oskar Morgenstern]], [[Wikipedia:Gottfried von Haberler|Gottfried von Haberler]]<ref name="Haberler">[http://mises.org/journals/aen/aen20_1_1.asp "Between Mises and Keynes An Interview with Gottfried von Haberler (1900-1995)"], ''The Austrian Economics Newsletter'' Spring 2000 Volume 20, Number 1, referenced 2009-04-27.</ref>, [[Wikipedia:Alfred Schutz|Alfred Schutz]]<ref name="Schutz">Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard. [http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_2_2.pdf "The Viennese Connection: Alfred Schutz and the Austrian School"](pdf), ''The Quarterly Journal Of Austrian Economics'' Vol.6, no.2, referenced 2009-04-27.</ref>, Richard von Strigl<ref name="Strigl">Jörg Guido Hülsmann. [http://mises.org/about/3243 "Richard von Strigl (1891-1942)"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-27.</ref>, [[Wikipedia:Eric Voegelin|Eric Voegelin]], [[Wikipedia:Paul Rosenstein-Rodan|Paul Rosenstein-Rodan]], and many other intellectuals from all over Europe.

Also during the 1920s and 30s, Mises was battling on two other academic fronts. He delivered the decisive blow to the [[Wikipedia:Historical school of economics|German Historical School]] with a series of essays in defense of the deductive method in economics, which he would later call [[praxeology]] or the logic of [[action]]. He also founded the Austrian Institute for Business Cycle Research, and put his student Hayek in charge of it.

During these years, Hayek and Mises authored many studies on the [[business cycle]], warned of the danger of credit expansion, and predicted the coming currency crisis. This work was cited by the [[Wikipedia:Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences|Nobel Memorial Prize]] committee in 1974 when Hayek received the award for economics. Working in England and America, Hayek later became a prime opponent of [[Wikipedia:Keynesian economics|Keynesian economics]] with books on exchange rates, capital theory, and monetary reform. His popular book [[Road to Serfdom]] helped revive the classical liberal movement in America after the [[New Deal]] and [[World War II]]. And his series [[Law, Legislation, and Liberty]] ([http://books.google.com/books?id=wK49AAAAIAAJ&dq=Law,+Legislation+and+Liberty&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=YAvviNdntc&sig=ZdwmZeD_vlQzvUM5nIIs2xmqp50&hl=en#PPP1,M1 online]) elaborated on the Late Scholastic approach to law, and applied it to criticize egalitarianism and [[Wikipedia:Nostrums|nostrums]] like [[Wikipedia:Social justice|social justice]].

===Outside of Austria===
In the late 1930s, after suffering from the [[Great Depression|worldwide depression]], Austria was threatened by a Nazi takeover. Hayek had already left for London in 1931 at Mises's urging, and in 1934, Mises himself moved to Geneva to teach and write at the [[Wikipedia:Graduate Institute of International Studies|International Institute for Graduate Studies]], later emigrating to the United States. Knowing Mises as the sworn enemy of national socialism, the Nazis confiscated Mises's papers from his apartment and hid them for the duration of the war. Ironically, it was Mises's ideas, filtered through the work of Roepke and the statesmanship of [[Ludwig Erhard]], that led to Germany's postwar economic reforms and rebuilt the country. Then, in 1992, Austrian archivists discovered Mises's stolen Vienna papers in a reopened archive in Moscow.<ref name="Documents">Richard M. Ebeling. [http://www.fff.org/comment/ed0397e.asp "The Discovery of the Lost Papers of Ludwig von Mises"], ''The Future of Freedom Foundation'', March 1997, referenced 2009-04-28.</ref>

While in Geneva, Mises's wrote his masterwork, ''Nationalokonomie'' ([http://www.mises.org/books/nationaloekonomie.pdf pdf]), and, after coming to the United States, revised and expanded it into [[Human Action]] ([http://mises.org/resources/3250 text]), which appeared in 1949. His student [[Murray N. Rothbard]]<ref name="Rothbard">David Gordon. [http://mises.org/about/3249 "Murray N. Rothbard (1926-1995)"], ''[[Mises Institute]]'', referenced 2009-04-28.</ref> called it "Mises's greatest achievement and one of the finest products of the human mind in our century. It is economics made whole." It remains the economic treatise that defines the School. Even so, it was not well received in the economics profession, which had already made a decisive turn towards Keynesianism, which accepted fiat money, fractional-reserve banking and central banking, as well as the premise that government had to intervene in the economy because somehow the free market sometimes did not "work" - all principles that Mises found objectionable and wrong.

Though Mises never held the paid academic post he deserved, he gathered students around him at New York University, just as he had in Vienna. Even before Mises emigrated, journalist [[Henry Hazlitt]] had become his most prominent champion, reviewing his books in the New York Times and Newsweek, and popularizing his ideas in such classics as ''[[Economics in One Lesson|Economics in One Lesson]]'' ([http://fee.org/download/13/ pdf]). Yet Hazlitt made his own contributions to the Austrian School. He wrote a line-by-line [[The Failure of the New Economics|critique]] ([http://www.mises.org/books/failureofneweconomics.pdf pdf]) of Keynes's ''[[The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money|General Theory]]'' ([http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/general-theory/ text]), defended the writings of Say, and restored him to a central place in Austrian macroeconomic theory. Hazlitt followed Mises's example of uncompromising adherence to principle, and as a result was pushed out of four high-profile positions in the journalistic world.

Mises's New York seminar continued until two years before his death in 1973. During those years, [[Murray Rothbard]], a PhD student at Columbia, attended Mises's seminars and become student of the Austrian School, moving further away from "mainstream" economics the more he studied the Austrian School.

===Murray Rothbard and the revival of the Austrian School===

Although [[Murray Rothbard]] proved to be a brilliant student, he had difficulties obtaining his PhD from Columbia, and the rejection of his views within mainstream economic thought was to become a theme throughout his professional career. Although a prolific writer and polymath, he never obtained an academic posting at any Ivy League institution, having to accept an academic posting at Brooklyn Polytechnic and later becoming a professor of economics at the University of Nevada.

In the tradition of many Austrian scholars, Rothbard was uncompromising in his views and was ostracized from many influential political bodies because of his perceived radicalism, even within right-leaning conservative groups that would normally have been sympathetic to his views. William F. Buckley wrote a bitter obituary on Rothbard's death, and supporters of [[Ayn Rand]] ultimately rejected his views on the corrupting influence of big business on politics.

Rothbard wrote of the betrayal of the "true spirit" of the American conservative movement in his book, ''[[The Betrayal of the American Right]]''.

On economic matters, Rothbard's ''[[Man, Economy, and State]]'' ([http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes.asp text]) was patterned after ''Human Action'', and in some areas--[[monopoly]] theory, [[utility]] and [[welfare]], and the theory of the state--tightened and strengthened Mises's own views. Rothbard's approach to the Austrian School followed directly in the line of Late Scholastic thought by applying economic science within a framework of a natural-rights theory of property.

What resulted was a full-fledged defense of a capitalistic and stateless social order, based on [[property]] and freedom of association and contract. Rothbard extended and in a sense "completed" Mises's views on economic thought, removing inconsistencies and drawing more radical policy conclusions than Mises's early works (that were, in themselves radical in their day and are still considered to be so even today).

Rothbard followed his economic treatise with an investigation of the [[Great Depression]], which applied [[Austrian Business Cycle Theory]] to show that the stock market crash and economic downturn was attributable to a prior [[bank]] [[Inflation|credit expansion]]. Then in a series of studies on government policy, he established the theoretical framework for examining the effects of all types of intervention in the market.

Rothbard extended and "radicalized" the Austrian School, taking Mises's insights and pushing them to their logical conclusion. Unlike Mises's view that there was a role for the State (in providing public goods and services such as law and order and basic infrastructure) it was Rothbard's view that all goods and services could be - and should be - produced by the private sector. He viewed many regulations and laws ostensibly promulgated for the "public interest" as self-interested power grabs by scheming government bureaucrats engaging in dangerously unfettered self-aggrandizement, as they were not subject to real competition. Rothbard held that there were inherent inefficiencies involved with governments providing commercial services and asserted that real competition would eliminate these efficiencies, if those services could be provided by the private sector.<ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard40.html The Great Society: A Libertarian Critique], Murray Rothbard</ref><ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard53.html The Noble Task of Revisionism], Murray Rothbard</ref><ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard37.html The Fallacy of the 'Public Sector'], Murray Rothbard</ref>

Rothbard was equally condemning of state corporatism. He criticized many instances where business elites co-opted government's monopoly power so as to influence laws and regulatory policy in a manner benefiting them at the expense of their competitive rivals.<ref>''For a New Liberty'', Chapter 3</ref>

He argued that [[taxation]] represents coercive theft on a grand scale, and "a compulsory [[monopoly]] of force" prohibiting the more efficient voluntary procurement of defense and judicial services from competing suppliers.<ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard24.html Tax Day], Murray Rothbard</ref> He also considered [[central bank]]ing and [[fractional reserve banking]] under a monopoly [[fiat money]] system a form of state-sponsored, legalized financial [[embezzlement|fraud]], antithetical to [[Libertarianism|libertarian]] principles and ethics.<ref>Rothbard, Murray. [http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf ''The Mystery of Banking''] Ludwig von Mises Institute. 2008. p. 111</ref><ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-2737288_ITM |title=Has fractional-reserve banking really passed the market test? (Controversy). |date=January 2003 |format= |work= Independent Review|accessdate=}}</ref><ref>[http://www.fff.org/freedom/0999c.asp The Case for the 100% Gold Dollar], Murray Rothbard</ref><ref>See also Murray Rothbard articles: [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard191.html Private Coinage]; [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html Repudiate the National Debt]; and [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard181.html Taking Money Back]</ref>

It was Rothbard who firmly established the Austrian School and classical liberal doctrine in the U.S., especially with ''[[Conceived in Liberty]]'' (volumes [http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf I], [http://mises.org/books/conceived2.pdf II], [http://mises.org/books/conceived3.pdf III], [http://mises.org/books/conceived4.pdf IV]), his four-volume history of colonial America and the secession from Britain. The reunion of natural-rights theory and the Austrian School came in his philosophical work, ''[[The Ethics of Liberty]]'' ([http://www.mises.org/rothbard/ethics/ethics.asp text]), all while he was writing a series of scholarly economic pieces gathered in the two-volume ''Logic of Action'', published in Edward Elgar's ''Economists of the Century'' series.

The founding of the [[Mises Institute|Ludwig von Mises Institute]] in 1982, with the aid of Margit von Mises as well as Hayek and Hazlitt, provided a range of new opportunities for both Rothbard and the Austrian School. Through a steady stream of academic conferences, instructional seminars, books, monographs, newsletters, studies, and even films, they carried the Austrian School forward into the post-socialist age.

The Austrian School enters a new millennium with many new advocates, including economists such as prominent Spanish economist Jesus Huerta de Soto, German economist Jörg Guido Hülsmann and American economists William Anderson, Robert Murphy and Walter Block, writers such as Thomas Woods, Lew Rockwell, and Charles Goyette, and media commentators and public figures such as Peter Schiff and Ron Paul. Some commentators have described this as a recent renaissance of classical liberal scholarship and thought.<ref>[http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255968/who-ron-paul-interview Ron Paul Interview], National Review Online</ref>

==Methodology==
Austrian School economists advocate strict adherence to [[Wikipedia:Methodological individualism|methodological individualism]] – analyzing human [[action]] from the perspective of individual agents.<ref name="Mises_Individualism">Ludwig von Mises [http://mises.org/humanaction/chap2sec4.asp "The Principle of Methodological Individualism"], ''[[Human Action]]'' online edition, [[Mises Institute]]. Referenced 2009-04-24}.</ref> Proponents of this method, [[praxeology]], argue that the only means of arriving at a valid economic theory is to derive it logically from basic principles of human action. Proponents of this method hold that it allows for the discovery of fundamental economic laws valid for all human action. Alongside praxeology, the school has traditionally advocated an interpretive approach to history to address specific historical events.

Austrian economists reject empirical [[Econometrics|statistical methods]] as tools applicable to economics, saying that while it is appropriate in the natural sciences where causal factors can be isolated in laboratory conditions, the actions of human beings are far too complex for this "numerical" treatment as passive non-adaptive subjects. Instead one should isolate the logical processes of human action. Von Mises called this discipline "[[praxeology]]" – a term he adapted from [[Alfred Espinas]] (but which had been in use by others).<ref>Ludwig von Mises, Nationalökonomie (Geneva: Union, 1940), p. 3; Human Action (Auburn, Ala.: Mises Institute, [1949] 1998), p. 3.</ref>

The Austrian praxeological method is based on the heavy use of logical [[deductive reasoning|deduction]] from what they assert to be undeniable, self-evident [[axioms]] or irrefutable facts about human existence. The primary axiom from which Austrian economists deduce further certain conclusions is the action axiom, which holds that humans take conscious action toward chosen goals.<ref>Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Economic Science and the Austrian Method (Auburn, Ala.: Mises Institute, [1995] 2007), p. 63.</ref>

Austrian school theorists, like [[Ludwig von Mises]], insist that praxeology must be [[positive economics|value-free]]—that the method does not answer the question "should this policy be implemented?", but rather "if this policy is implemented, will it have [[Law of unintended consequences|the effects you intend]]"? However, Austrian economists often make policy recommendations that call for the elimination of government regulations and their policy prescriptions often overlap with [[libertarian]] or [[Anarcho-capitalism|anarcho-capitalist]] solutions. These recommendations are similar to, but further reaching than the [[minarchism|minarchist]] ideas of [[Chicago School (economics)|Chicago School]] economists, and frequently address issues that other schools ignore, such as [[monetary reform]].<ref>{{cite book | last = Skousen | first = Mark | title = Vienna & Chicago, Friends or Foes? | publisher = Capital Press/Regnery Pub | location = Washington | year = 2005 | isbn = 0-89526-029-8 }}</ref>

Austrian economists view [[entrepreneurship]] as the driving force in [[economic development]], see [[private property]] as essential to the efficient use of resources, and usually (if not always) see [[government]] interference in market processes as counterproductive. In this, their views do not differ far from those of the Chicago school.

As with neoclassical economists, Austrian economists reject [[classical economics|classical]] cost of production theories, most famously the [[labor theory of value]]. Instead, they explain value by reference to the [[Subjective theory of value|subjective preferences of individuals]]. This psychological aspect to Menger's economics has been attributed to the school's birth in turn of the century [[Vienna]]. [[Supply and demand]] are explained by aggregating over the decisions of individuals, following the precepts of [[methodological individualism]], which asserts that only individuals and not collectives make decisions, and [[marginalist]] arguments, which compare the costs and benefits for incremental changes.

[[Frank van Dun]] outlines the basic difference between the methods:
: The central dogma of [[positivism]] in fields such as “law” and “economics” is that every order is artificial. There are no [[natural order]]s, or, if there are, they are not suitable objects of scientific investigation. Consequently, persons can be admitted as objects of study only if they are disguised as artificial persons. In economics, positivism typically involves the personification of “theoretical constructs” (for example, utility functions) constrained by the rules of a model or a simulation.13 It fits the profile of a technology of want-satisfaction that characterises modern neo-classical and mainstream economics, but obviously is useless for the anarchocapitalists’ program of research into the conditions of order and disorder of the real human world.<ref>Frank van Dun. [http://www2.units.it/etica/2003_2/index.html ''Natural Law: A Logical Analysis'']. Etica & Politica, 2003.2. Dipartimento di Filosofia, Lingue e Letterature, Università di Trieste.</ref>

===Criticism of mainstream practices===
Austrians consider their methodology to be superior to the attempt to mimic the "hard' sciences through what Austrians consider to be a "naive" [[empiricism]]. This "naive" attempt by the mainstream academic community to mimic the hard sciences through econometrics has had questionable results. German economist, banker and Keynesian critic, L. Albert Hahn, noted the following in October 1952:<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/3582 Keynesians Can't Predict], L. Albert Hahn, ''The Freeman'', October 6, 1952</ref>

{{quote|It is seldom realized that belief in the possibility of "scientific" business forecasts, and the forecasting mania of our time, are comparatively new phenomena. Until about 1930 serious economists were not so bold — or so naive — as to pretend to be able to calculate the coming of booms and depressions in advance. It would not have fitted into their general view on the working of a free economy. They considered the economic future as basically dependent on unpredictable price-cost relationships and on the equally unpredictable psychological reactions of entrepreneurs. Predictions of future business conditions would have seemed to them mere charlatanry, just as predictions, say, regarding the resolutions of Congress two years from now... The basic error of the whole approach lies in the fact that the causative link between objective data and the decision of the members of the community are treated as mechanical. But men are still men and not automatons... Insufficiently educated in the history of economic thought, they [Anglo-American economists] do not realize that Keynesianism — down to the most technical details, like the concept of the foreign exchange multiplier — is mercantilism or, more precisely, John Lawism pure and simple... Reading, quoting, praising, and promoting each other, and only each other, will not liberate these economists from their voluntary isolationism. They will remain in their dream world. They will continue to predict the unpredictable.}}

Mainstream economists mostly ignore the Austrian assertion that prediction in economics is inherently impossible and continue to focus on mathematical modelling of the economy derived from simplified assumptions about human behaviour.<ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/rosen-e1.1.1.html What is the Current State of Economic Science?], Erwin Rosen</ref>

In their rejection of mainstream practices, Austrians have long argued that mainstream economic models have a very poor record of prediction, citing the [[Global Financial Crisis]] as an example.<ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/rosen-e1.1.1.html What is the Current State of Economic Science?], Erwin Rosen</ref><ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/thornton/thornton38.html You Heard It Here First], Mark Thornton, LRC</ref><ref>[http://mises.org/media/4019 Business Cycles and Prediction, Mark Thornton]</ref> However, on the other hand some Austrian adherents have themslves been labeled as "Chicken Littles" for continually making predictions of "catastrophic" financial crises.<ref>[http://www.goldensextant.com/SavingtheSystem.html Saving the System], Robert K. Landis</ref><ref>{{cite news
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==Contributions==
Some significant general contributions of Austrian economists are listed below:
* The Regression Thereom of Money, wherein Mises hypothesized that the creation of money is a time-dependent process where market participants, by spontaneously engaging in barter and trading goods, quickly reach a market-based consensus regarding what should be commonly accepted as a medium of exchange in that market. An item becomes "money" based primarily on participants' subjective values - their past experience of ''other'' traders accepting this "good" as money - and their expectation that it will be accepted by others in future. If people stop trusting that others will accept this item as money in future, this item can loose its "moneyness" suddenly and immediately.
* A fundamental rejection of mathematical methods in economics, seeing the function of economics as investigating the essences rather than the specific quantities of economic phenomena. This was seen as an evolutionary, or "genetic-causal", approach against the alleged "unreality" and internal stresses inherent in the "static" approach of [[economic equilibrium|equilibrium]] and [[perfect competition]], which are the foundations of mainstream Neoclassical economics (see also [[praxeology]]). This methodology is also driven by the belief that [[econometrics]] is inherently misleading in that it creates a fallacious "precision" in economics where there is none.
* [[Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk]]'s critique of [[Karl Marx|Marx]], which centered on the untenability of the [[labor theory of value]] in the light of the [[transformation problem]]. There was also the connected argument that capitalists do not exploit workers; they ''accommodate'' workers by providing them with income well in advance of the revenue from the output they helped to produce.
* Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk's demonstration that the law of marginal utility, as formulated by [[Carl Menger|Menger]] necessarily implies the classical law of costs and hence the vast majority of the conclusions of the British [[classical economists]]. This discovery was later fully developed and its implications traced by a student of [[Ludwig von Mises|von Mises]], [[George Reisman]], in his book, ''Capitalism''.
* An emphasis on [[opportunity cost]] and reservation demand in defining [[marginal theory of value|value]], and a refusal to consider supply as an otherwise independent cause of value.<ref>"Values are not seen (as they are in Marshallian economics) as ''jointly'' determined by subjective (utility) and objective (physical cost) considerations. Rather, values are seen as determined ''solely'' by the actions of consumers... Cost is seen (by Menger, and especially by Wieser...) merely as prospective utility deliberately sacrificed (in order to command more highly preferred utility)." Israel M. Kirzner, "The Austrian School of Economics", ''The New Palgrave: Dictionary of Economics'' (1987)</ref> (The British economist [[Philip Wicksteed]] adopted this perspective.)
* The Mises-Hayek [[business cycle]] theory, which is asserted as explaining depression as a reaction to an intertemporal production structure fostered by [[monetary policy]] setting [[interest rate]]s inconsistent with individual time preferences.
* Mises and Hayek's view of prices as permitting agents to make use of [[dispersed knowledge|dispersed tacit knowledge]].
* The [[time preference theory of interest]], which explains interest rates through [[intertemporal choice]] - the different time preferences of the borrower or lender - rather than as a price paid for a [[factor of production]].
* The [[economic calculation debate]] between Austrian and [[Marxist]] economists, with the Austrians claiming that Marxism is flawed because prices could not be set to recognize opportunity costs of factors of production, and so [[socialism]] could not make rational decisions.
* [[Friedrich Hayek]] was one of the few economists who gave warning of a major economic crisis before [[Wall Street Crash of 1929|the great crash]] of 1929.<ref>{{cite book |title=The Making of Modern Economics |last=Skousen |first=Mark |authorlink=Mark Skousen |year=2001 |publisher=M.E. Sharpe |isbn=0-7656-0479-5 |page=284 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/1974/press.html |title=The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel 1974 |accessdate=2008-10-12 |publisher=[[Nobel Foundation]] |date=1974-10-09 }}</ref> In February 1929, Hayek warned that a coming financial crisis was an unavoidable consequence of reckless monetary expansion.<ref>{{cite book |title= Keynes and Hayek |last= Steele |first=G. R. |year=2001 |publisher= Routledge |isbn= 0-415-25138-9 |page=9 }}</ref>
* Stressing uncertainty in the making of economic decisions, rather than relying on "[[Homo economicus]]" or the rational man who was fully informed of all circumstances impinging on his decisions. The fact that perfect knowledge never exists, means that all economic activity implies risk.
* Seeing the entrepreneurs' role as collecting and evaluating information and acting on risks.
* An emphasis on the forward-looking nature of choice, seeing time as the root of uncertainty within economics (see also [[time preference]]).

==Notable theories==
===Economic calculation problem===
{{Main|Economic calculation problem}}
The economic calculation problem was first proposed by Ludwig von Mises in 1920 and later expounded by Friedrich Hayek.<ref name="Mises">{{cite book |title=Economic calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth |accessdate=2008-09-08 |last=Von Mises |first=Ludwig |authorlink=Ludwig von Mises |year=1990|format=pdf |publisher=[[Ludwig von Mises Institute]] |url=http://mises.org/pdf/econcalc.pdf |isbn=0945466072 }}</ref><ref>F. A. Hayek, (1935), "The Nature and History of the Problem" and "The Present State of the Debate," om in F. A. Hayek, ed. ''Collectivist Economic Planning'', pp. 1–40, 201–243.</ref> The problem referred to is that of how to distribute resources efficiently in an economy. The capitalist or free market solution is to produce and distribute goods and services according to the [[price mechanism]]; Mises and Hayek argued that this is the only viable solution, as the [[price mechanism]] co-ordinates supply and investment decisions most efficiently, producing goods and services want to buy and eliminate those goods and services that are not wanted by reducing their prices and thereby rationing the resources given to "unwanted" or inefficient producers. Without the "feedback" information being provided by market prices, centrally planned [[socialism]] lacks a method to efficiently allocate resources over an extended period of time in any market where the [[price mechanism]] is effective (an example where the [[price mechanism]] may not work is in the relatively confined area of [[public goods|public]] and [[common good (economics)|common goods]]). This thereom implies that a [[socialist]] [[planned economy]] could never be sustainable in the long term for the vast bulk of the economy, as huge shortages of desired goods and large surpluses of unwanted goods would continually occur in the economy, resulting in misallocations and dislocations that would eventually cause chaos throughout the economic system. The debate over whether socialism was a viable economic system raged in the 1920s and 1930s, and that specific period of the debate has come to be known by historians of economic thought as ''The Socialist Calculation Debate.''<ref name="School">[http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/essays/paretian/social.htm The socialist calculation debate]</ref>
[[Ludwig von Mises]] argued in a famous 1920 article "[[Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth]]" that the pricing systems in socialist economies were necessarily deficient because if government owned the [[means of production]], then no prices could be obtained for [[capital goods]] as they were merely internal transfers of goods in a socialist system and not "objects of exchange," unlike final goods. Therefore, they were unpriced and hence the system would be necessarily inefficient since the central planners would not know how to allocate the available resources efficiently.<ref name="School" /> This led him to declare "…that rational economic activity is impossible in a socialist commonwealth."<ref name="Mises" />

===Inflation===
The Austrian School has consistently argued that a "traditionalist" approach to inflation yields the most accurate understanding of the causes (and the cure) for [[inflation]]. Austrian economists maintain that inflation is ''by definition'' always and everywhere simply an increase in the [[money supply]] (i.e. units of currency or [[means of exchange]]), which in turn leads to a higher nominal price level for assets (such as housing) and other goods and services in demand, as the real value of each monetary unit is eroded, loses purchasing power and thus buys fewer goods and services.

Given that all major economies currently have a [[central bank]] supporting the private [[bank]]ing system, money can be supplied into these [[economy|economies]] by way of private bank-created [[credit (finance)|credit]] (or [[debt]]).<ref>[http://mises.org/media/4014 The Economics of Legal Tender Laws], [[Jorg Guido Hulsmann]] (includes detailed commentary on [[central banking]], [[inflation]] and [[fractional reserve banking|FRB]])</ref> Austrian School economists therefore regard the private bankers and the state-sponsored [[central bank]] as the main cause of [[inflation]] in an economy where the bulk of the money supply is created through debt, because they regard the central bank as the institution charged with supporting the banking system and supplying cash to the banking system when needed by the banks.<ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north803.html Why Deflation Is not Inevitable (Sadly)], Gary North</ref>

The Austrian School also views the "contemporary" definition of [[inflation]] as inherently misleading in that it draws attention only to the ''effect'' of inflation (rising prices) and does not address the "true" phenomenon of [[inflation]], which they believe simply involves the debasement of the [[means of exchange]]. They argue that this semantic difference is important in defining inflation and finding a cure for inflation. Austrian School economists maintain the most effective cure is the strict maintenance of a stable money supply.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mises.org/story/908 |title=Defining Inflation |accessdate=2008-09-20 |last=Shostak, Ph.D |first=Frank |date=2002-03-02 |publisher=Mises Institute }}</ref> [[Ludwig von Mises]], the seminal scholar of the Austrian School, asserts that:

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Inflation, as this term was always used everywhere and especially in this country, means increasing the quantity of money and bank notes in circulation and the quantity of bank deposits subject to check. But people today use the term `inflation' to refer to the phenomenon that is an inevitable consequence of inflation, that is the tendency of all prices and wage rates to rise. The result of this deplorable confusion is that there is no term left to signify the cause of this rise in prices and wages. There is no longer any word available to signify the phenomenon that has been, up to now, called inflation. . . . As you cannot talk about something that has no name, you cannot fight it. Those who pretend to fight inflation are in fact only fighting what is the inevitable consequence of inflation, rising prices. Their ventures are doomed to failure because they do not attack the root of the evil. They try to keep prices low while firmly committed to a policy of increasing the quantity of money that must necessarily make them soar. As long as this terminological confusion is not entirely wiped out, there cannot be any question of stopping inflation.<ref>{{Cite book |first=Ludwig |last=von Mises |chapter=Economic Freedom and Interventionism |editor1-first=Bettina B. |editor1-last=Greaves |title=Economics of Mobilization |publisher=The Commercial and Financial Chronicle |location=Sulphur Springs, West Virginia |pages= |year=1980 |isbn= |chapterurl=http://mises.org/efandi/ch20.asp |ref=harv}}</ref>
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Austrian economists tend to measure the inflation by calculating the growth of what they call 'the true money supply', i.e. how many new units of money that are available for immediate use in exchange, that have been created over time.<ref>Ludwig von Mises Institute, "[http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx?series=TMS True Money Supply]"</ref><ref>Joseph T. Salerno, (1987), Austrian Economic Newsletter, "[http://www.mises.org/journals/aen/aen6_4_1.pdf The "True" Money Supply: A Measure of the Medium of Exchange in the U.S. Economy]"</ref><ref>Frank Shostak, (2000), "[http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae3_4_3.pdf The Mystery of the Money Supply Definition]"</ref>

Austrian School economists claim that the state uses subtle forms of inflation as one of the three means by which it can fund its activities, the other two being taxing and borrowing.<ref>[[Lew Rockwell]], interview on "[http://mises.org:88/Now NOW with Bill Moyers]"</ref> Because of the disruptive and dislocating effects of inflation, many Austrian School economists support the abolition of the [[central bank]]s and the [[fractional-reserve banking]] system, and advocate instead a return to money based on the [[gold standard]], or less frequently, [[free banking]].<ref>Ludwig von Mises Institute, "[http://mises.org/books/goldstandard.pdf The Gold Standard]"</ref><ref>Ron Paul, "[http://mises.org/books/caseforgold.pdf The Case for Gold]"</ref> Money could only be created by finding and putting into circulation more gold under a [[gold standard]].

Advocates argue that the abolition of legal tender laws and the spontaneous return to a gold or silver monetary system would effectively constrain unsustainable and volatile [[fractional-reserve banking]] practices, ensuring that [[money supply]] growth ("[[monetary inflation|inflation]]") would never spiral out of control.<ref>Murray Rothbard, "[http://mises.org/rothbard/100percent.pdf The Case for a 100 Percent Gold Dollar]"</ref><ref>Ludwig von Mises Institute, "[http://mises.org/story/2870 Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve]"</ref>

In relation to the current [[central bank]]-managed [[fractional reserve banking|fractional reserve]] [[fiat currency]] [[debt-based monetary system|system]], Austrian economist [[Murray Rothbard]] stated the following:<ref>Rothbard, Murray. [http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf ''The Mystery of Banking''], p. 261</ref>

{{quote|Given this dismal monetary and banking situation, given a 39:1 pyramiding of checkable deposits and currency on top of gold, given a Fed unchecked and out of control, given a world of fiat moneys, how can we possibly return to a sound noninflationary market money? The objectives, after the discussion in this work, should be clear: (a) to return to a gold standard, a commodity standard unhampered by government intervention; (b) to abolish the Federal Reserve System and return to a system of free and competitive banking; (c) to separate the government from money; and (d) either to enforce 100 percent reserve banking on the commercial banks, or at least to arrive at a system where any bank, at the slightest hint of nonpayment of its demand liabilities, is forced quickly into bankruptcy and liquidation. While the outlawing of fractional reserve as fraud would be preferable if it could be enforced, the problems of enforcement, especially where banks can continually innovate in forms of credit, make free banking an attractive alternative.}}

[[Ludwig von Mises]] asserted that, in addition to reducing the serverity of business cycles and eliminating inflation, civil liberties would be better protected through a return to the gold standard:

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It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of [[sound money]] if one does not realize that it was devised as an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments. Ideologically it belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of rights. The demand for constitutional guarantees and for bills of rights was a reaction against arbitrary rule and the nonobservance of old customs by kings.<ref>{{cite book |last=von Mises |first=Ludwig |authorlink=Ludwig von Mises |coauthors= |title=The Theory of Money and Credit |publisher=Liberty Fund, Inc. |date=1981-07-01 |location= |pages=Chapter 21 |url=http://mises.org/story/2276 |doi= |id= |isbn=0-913966-71-1 |nopp=true }}</ref>
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===Business cycles===
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The Austrian School is one of the few schools of economic thought that considers different forms of money to be "non-neutral" - meaning that changes in the money supply can have real economic effects, disrupting the price mechanism and causing "ripple" effects throughout the economy. Mainstream theories generally consider money to be "neutral" (in other words, they consider that changes in the money supply do not have significant effects in the real economy). According to Austrian School economist [[Joseph Salerno]], what most distinctly sets the Austrian school apart from [[neoclassical economics]] is the [[Austrian Business Cycle Theory]]:<ref>{{Cite journal
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{{quote|The Austrian theory embodies all the distinctive Austrian traits: the theory of heterogeneous capital, the structure of production, the passage of time, sequential analysis of monetary interventionism, the market origins and function of the interest rate, and more. And it tells a compelling story about an area of history neoclassicals think of as their turf. The model of applying this theory remains [[Murray Rothbard|Rothbard]]'s ''[[America's Great Depression]]''.}}

Austrian School economists focus on the changes in the money suppy and the associated credit cycle as the primary cause of most business cycles. Austrian economists assert that the pernicious monetary effects of [[fractional reserve banking]] are the predominant cause of most business cycles, as the inflating effects of the practice result in lower interest rates than would prevail in a stable money system, thereby causing excessive credit creation, speculative "[[economic bubble|bubbles]]" and "artificially" low savings.<ref>Thorsten Polleit, [http://mises.org/story/2810 Manipulating the Interest Rate: a Recipe for Disaster], 13 December 2007</ref>

According to the Austrian School business cycle theory, the business cycle unfolds in the following way:

Fractional reserve banking continually causes inflation through the "artificial" lowering of interest rates (compared to what they would be in a stable money environment). This can occur indefinitely with the aid and assistance of the central bank. Low interest rates encourage fresh borrowing and new credit creation, thereby increasing the short term profitability of the banking system. But this expansion of credit also causes an expansion of the [[money supply|supply of money]], through the [[money creation]] process in a [[fractional reserve banking]] system and misallocates resources, skewing production to "unwanted" capital goods industries and encourages Ponzi-like speculation. This artificial increase in money and credit inevitably leads to an unsustainable "credit-fuelled boom" during which the "artificially stimulated" borrowing seeks out diminishing investment opportunities and causes widespread [[malinvestment]]s, where capital resources are misallocated into areas that would not attract investment if the money supply remained stable.

[[Murray Rothbard]] used the concept of malinvesment and the distorting effects of bank-induced credit creation to study the [[Great Depression]] is his [[historical revisionism|revisionist]] work, ''[[America's Great Depression]]'':<ref>[[Murray Rothbard]], [http://mises.org/rothbard/agd/chapter1.asp#cluster_of_error|''America's Great Depression'', 2005, 5th Edition, Ludwig von Mises Institute, Chapter 1, ''The Cluster of Error''].</ref>

{{quote|A credit expansion may appear to render submarginal capital profitable once more, but this too will be malinvestment, and the now greater error will be exposed when this boom is over. Thus, credit expansion generates the business cycle regardless of the existence of unemployed factors. Credit expansion in the midst of unemployment will create more distortions and malinvestments, delay recovery from the preceding boom, and make a more grueling recovery necessary in the future. While it is true that the unemployed factors are not now diverted from more valuable uses as employed factors would be (since they were speculatively idle or malinvested instead of employed), the other complementary factors will be diverted into working with them, and these factors will be malinvested and wasted. Moreover, all the other distorting effects of credit expansion will still follow, and a depression will be necessary to correct the new distortion.}}

Austrian School economists argue that a correction or "[[credit crunch]]" – commonly called a "[[recession]]" or "bust" – occurs when credit creation cannot be sustained. They claim that the [[money supply]] suddenly and sharply contracts when markets finally "clear", causing resources to be reallocated back toward more efficient uses.

Economist [[Steve H. Hanke]] identifies the [[financial crisis of 2007–2010]] as the direct outcome of the Federal Reserve Bank's interest rate policies as is predicted by Austrian school economic theory.<ref>{{Cite web |url= http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10100 |title=The Fed's Modus Operandi: Panic | Cato Institute: Commentary |first=Steve H. |last=Hanke |work=cato.org |accessdate=17 July 2010 }}</ref> Some analysts such as Jerry Tempelman have also argued that the predictive and explanatory power of ABCT in relation to the recent [[Global Financial Crisis]] has reaffirmed its status and, perhaps, cast into question the utility of mainstream theories and critiques.<ref>[http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae13_1_1.pdf ABCT and the GFC: Confessions of a Mainstream Economist] by Jerry Tempelman</ref>

===Monetary Reform===
{{Main|Debt-based monetary system}}
The Austrian School is currently the only major school of economic thought that advocates radical monetary reform and actively debates the efficacy of fundamental banking reform.<ref>See for example these [[Murray Rothbard]] articles: [http://www.mises.org/money.asp What Has Government Done to Our Money?], [http://www.mises.org/story/1829 The Case for the 100% Gold Dollar]; [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/cartelization.pdf The Fed as Cartel], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard191.html Private Coinage], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html Repudiate the National Debt]; [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard181.html Taking Money Back], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard163.html Anatomy of the Bank Run], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard128.html Money and the Individual]</ref>

All other schools of economic thought (including Keynesian, monetarist and neo-classical) implicitly accept the current fiat money and central bank-dominated financial system as optimal - or at least as not actively destructive of the economy.<ref>[http://mises.org/story/3108 Sound Money], [[Lew Rockwell]]</ref><ref>[http://mises.org/story/1971 Our Money Madness], [[Lew Rockwell]]</ref>

Austrian scholars, on the other hand, uniformly see coercive legal tender laws and the current fractional-reserve financial system as an extremely dysfunctional and disruptive influence on the economy.<ref>[http://mises.org/story/3108 Sound Money], [[Lew Rockwell]]</ref><ref>[http://mises.org/story/1971 Our Money Madness], [[Lew Rockwell]]</ref> Through the centralized control of interest rates, through the arbitrary diversion of scarce resources to repeatedly bail out the "too big to fail" banks, through the manipulation of financial markets via the buying of government bonds (so called "quantitative easing"), Austrian scholars see coercive legal tender laws, central banking and the current financial system generally as a source of continual disruption in the price discovery mechanism, misleading investors and market participants and ultimately causing continual and ongoing misallocations in scarce resource distribution, resulting in massive [[malinvestment]]s and wrenching and disruptive business cycles.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/4880 The Faults of Fractional-Reserve Banking], Thorsten Polleit</ref>

However, Austrian scholars are divided on the optimal solution to this urgent problem.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/4898 ''Free Banking''], review by John P. Cochran</ref>

Some Austrian scholars advocate "free banking", where banks are permitted to engage in fractional-reserve banking activities provided they comply with the laws against fraud and are not supported in any way against the possibility of bank runs and are forced into bankruptcy should they not be able to pay their debts as and when they fall due.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/4898 ''Free Banking''], review by John P. Cochran</ref>

Advocates of this system of banking include Lawrence White, Stephen Horwitz, George Selgin, and Kevin Dowd, amongst others.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/4898 ''Free Banking''], review by John P. Cochran</ref> F.A. Hayek also advocated the de-nationalization of money production and implicitly supported a free banking financial system in some of his works on monetary reform.<ref>[http://www.mises.org/store/Free-Market-Monetary-System-A-P553.aspx?AFID=14 ''Free Market Money System''] by [[F.A. Hayek]]</ref>

Other Austrian scholars advocate "full-reserve banking", considering fractional-reserve banking to be inherently unethical, disruptive and dysfunctional, akin to embezzlement.<ref>See for example these [[Murray Rothbard]] articles: [http://www.mises.org/money.asp What Has Government Done to Our Money?], [http://www.mises.org/story/1829 The Case for the 100% Gold Dollar]; [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/cartelization.pdf The Fed as Cartel], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard191.html Private Coinage], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html Repudiate the National Debt]; [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard181.html Taking Money Back], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard163.html Anatomy of the Bank Run], [http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard128.html Money and the Individual]</ref> [[Full reserve banking]] would require banks to retain in reserve all deposits that are legally available for immediate withdrawal, and permit lending only from longer-term deposits.

Advocates of this system of banking include [[Murray Rothbard]],<ref name="The Mystery of Banking">[http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf ''The Mystery of Banking''], Murray Rothbard</ref><ref name="The Case for a 100% Gold Dollar">[http://mises.org/story/1829 The Case for a 100% Gold Dollar], Murray Rothbard</ref> [[Jesus Huerta de Soto]],<ref>[http://www.mises.org/books/desoto.pdf ''Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles''], Jesus Huerta de Soto, First English edition (2006), pp. 98-114</ref> and [[Jörg Guido Hülsmann]],<ref>[http://mises.org/media/4014 The Economics of Legal Tender Laws], [[Jorg Guido Hulsmann]] (includes detailed commentary on [[central banking]], [[inflation]] and [[fractional reserve banking|FRB]])</ref><ref name=FBFB>[http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE9_1_1.pdf Free Banking and the Free Bankers], Jörg Guido Hülsmann, Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics (Vol. 9, No. 1)</ref><ref>[http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2011/01/04/181-hyperinflation-ahead/ Interview with Jörg Guido Hülsmann], The Lew Rockwell Show</ref> amongst others.<ref>[http://mises.org/daily/4880 The Faults of Fractional-Reserve Banking], Thorsten Polleit</ref>

==Criticism of the Austrian School==
Critics argue that modern Austrian economics generally lacks scientific rigor,<ref name="white1">{{Cite journal |title=The research program of Austrian economics |publisher=Emerald Group Publishing Limited |first=Lawrence H. |last=White |journal=Advances in Austrian Economics |year=2008 |pages=20 |url=http://www.emeraldinsight.com/books.htm?chapterid=1775479&show=pdf}}</ref> which forms the basis of the most prominent criticism of the school. Austrian theories are not formulated in formal mathematical form,<ref>{{cite web |first=Deborah L. |last=Walker |title=Austrian Economics |publisher=Library of Economics and Liberty |url=http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/AustrianEconomics.html |accessdate=2010-01-23 }}</ref> but by using mainly verbal logic and what proponents claim are self-evident axioms. Mainstream economists believe that this makes Austrian theories too imprecisely defined to be clearly used to explain or predict real world events. Economist [[Bryan Caplan]] noted that, "what prevents Austrian economists from getting more publications in mainstream journals is that their papers rarely use [[mathematics]] or [[econometrics]]."

There are also criticisms of specific Austrian theories. For example, Nobel laureate [[Milton Friedman]], after examining the history of business cycles in the US, concluded that "The Hayek-Mises explanation of the business cycle is contradicted by the evidence. It is, I believe, false."<ref name="Friedman1969">{{cite book|last=Friedman |first=Milton |title=The Optimal Quantity of Money and Other Essays |publisher=Aldine |location=Chicago |pages=261–284 |chapter=The Monetary Studies of the National Bureau, 44th Annual Report}}</ref><ref name="Friedman93">{{cite journal|last=Friedman|first=Milton|title=The 'Plucking Model' of Business Fluctuations Revisited|journal=Economic Inquiry|pages=171–177|url=http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7295.1993.tb00874.x/abstract}}</ref><ref name="Friedman_ABCT_false">{{cite book|last=Friedman |first=Milton |title=The Optimal Quantity of Money and Other Essays |publisher=Aldine |location=Chicago |pages=261–284 |chapter=The Monetary Studies of the National Bureau, 44th Annual Report | quote=The Hayek-Mises explanation of the business cycle is contradicted by the evidence. It is, I believe, false. }}</ref> In addition to Milton Friedman's criticism, noted liberal [[Neo-Keynesian Economics|neo-Keynesian]] economist [[Paul Krugman]] has criticized the theory.<ref name="Krugman">{{cite web|url=http://www.slate.com/id/9593 |title=The Hangover Theory |last=Krugman |first=Paul |date=1998-12-04 |publisher=Slate |accessdate=2008-06-20}}</ref>

[[Jeffrey Sachs]] has argued that high tax rates and a "mixed" economy (with some "socialist" elements such as high levels of social welfare transfer payments) appears to have generated higher growth rates in the second half of the 20 century - which appears to run counter to the Austrians' assertion that strong deference to private property rights (and therefore low tax rates) are essential for a properly functioning free market economy. Sachs asserts that poverty rates are lower, median income is higher, the government budget has larger surpluses, and the trade balance is stronger (although unemployment tends to be higher).<ref>{{cite journal|title=The Social Welfare State, Beyond Ideology |last=Sachs|first=Jeffrey |date=October 2006 |journal=Scientific American |url=http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-social-welfare-state |accessdate=2008-06-20|ref=harv }}</ref> In response to Sachs' article, [[William Easterly]] states that Hayek, writing in 1944, correctly recognized the dangers of large-scale state economic planning. He also questions the validity of comparing poverty levels in the Nordic countries and the United States, when the former have been moving away from social planning toward a more market-based economy, and the latter has historically taken in impoverished immigrants.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116355956112023480.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries|title=Dismal Science|accessdate=2008-09-07|author=[[William Easterly]]
|date=2006-11-15|publisher=[[The Wall Street Journal]]}}</ref>

==Seminal works==
* ''[[Principles of Economics]]'' (1871) by [[Carl Menger]]
* ''[[Capital and Interest]]'' (1884–1921) by [[Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk]]
* ''[[Human Action]]'' (1940–1949) by [[Ludwig von Mises]]
* ''[[Economics in One Lesson]]'' (1946) by [[Henry Hazlitt]]
* ''[[Individualism and Economic Order]]'' (1948) by [[Friedrich Hayek]]
* ''[[Man, Economy, and State]]'' (1962) by [[Murray Rothbard|Murray N. Rothbard]]
* ''Competition and Entrepreneurship'' (1973) by [[Israel Kirzner|Israel M. Kirzner]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://mises.org/etexts/austrian.asp What is Austrian Economics?] from the [[Mises Institute]]
* [[Wikipedia:Austrian School|Austrian School]] on Wikipedia
* [http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/AustrianSchoolofEconomics.html Austrian School of Economics] from The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics
* [http://homepage.newschool.edu/het//schools/austrian.htm The Austrian School] from the History of Economic Thought page
* [http://mises.org/daily/4390 A Primer on Austrian Economics] by Jonathan M. Finegold Catalan, June 2010

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<div class="messagebox" style="text-align:center;">This page is for discussion related to the [[Main Page]]. For general project-related discussion, use the [[MisesWiki:Commons|MisesWiki Commons]].</div>

==Ideas for Main Page organization==
The Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] incorporates several features:

# Did You Know?: spotlights new articles or substantial revisions and incentivizes users to do substantial new work rather than just little tweaks here and there
# Today's Featured Article: showcases articles that have reached the highest quality level, according to the FA criteria developed by folks working on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles that project]
# In The News: provides short "breaking news" blurbs which link to relevant content
# On This Day: lists historical facts from this day in history and links to relevant content

We could develop a feature like #1 pretty easily, especially since everything is new right now.

Number 2 is something that I would like for us to have once we have adequate content to support it, but I don't think we are quite there yet.

On Wikipedia, the "In The News" feature is easy to run because almost any news subject is likely to be linkable to multiple pre-existing articles. We might create something like #3 as a way to draw attention to Austrians who are in the news or who have provided commentary on events covered in the news, and our equivalent of the "In The News" feature could be linked from "Current Events" in the nav box on page left.

I think #4 is out for right now, too, although we could eventually note birthdays of famous Austrians and other relevant historical tidbits once we develop a little more content.

The "Community Portal" link on the left could lead to a page much like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal the one on Wikipedia], with a running "to-do" list of articles that need to be created or substantially revised, links to projects (as they develop), and any notices about community-wide news.

Thoughts?
[[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 09:48, 6 November 2010 (CDT)

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These all seem great to me but of course I have my usual concern about daily updates to the front page now. I find myself suddenly anxious to develop some intellectual eye candy up front along with links to how to write for wikipedia, if only because something tells me that we are the verge of a more public discovery. It would be good to have the curb appeal right up front.

I might suggest that we leave a featured piece up on [[Austrian economics]], right up there with some colored background or something.

--[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:26, 6 November 2010 (CDT)

:: I have the next couple of days off, so I'll try to see what I can do to get [[Austrian economics]] up to snuff. By the way, should it be "Austrian economics" or "Austrian school"? Regarding this main page, I don't think "on this day" would be too difficult to set up early. We'd have to gather up relevant birthdays and events (such as the first Mont Pelerin Society meeting, that meeting in 1974 setting the beginning of the Austrian revival, et cetera). It will take some time, though. Maybe a more permanent template, for now, would do the trick—"during this week". We could do a featured picture widget, but instead of featured pictures maybe just rotating images of different Austrian economists and other relative individuals. At first, some of the stuff will prob. have to be "semi-permanent", in the sense that most stuff probably won't be updated every day. '''[[User:Catalan|JonCatalán]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Catalan|(Talk)]]</sup> 21:01, 7 November 2010 (CST)

:::Younger, less developed Wikimedia sites (such as [http://en.wikisource.org Wikisource]), have different items on the main page. A featured work of the month, a list of new articles (that anyone can add to), and current collaborations, for example. It may make more sense to pursue some of these less-intensive solutions instead of/in addition to the ones Wikipedia uses.
:::To start we can at least do "new texts" (probably instead of "Did You Know?") and once we've developed a particular article more fully, make that the month's featured article (maybe for December?). I like the idea of having an "During this week" box that starts off as weekly and eventually can be changed to "On this day". --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] 08:10, 8 November 2010 (CST)

==New design==
Work on a new Main Page design is ongoing at [[Main Page/new]]. For this initial design I kept many of Wikipedia's design features (but with a different header), and developed similar content. Feel free to make changes or suggestions. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:55, 8 November 2010 (CST)
: I implemented this. For whatever reason, the favicon is gone --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 09:06, 9 November 2010 (CST)

: For "on this week", should we link to years and such? I was going to suggest linking with wp:en, but then that wouldn't make sense because you'd direct the user off the site without that page actually being relevant. It makes sense to wikilink to the day, because we could fill in the days with important events and such (that can be used to update "on this week"), but what about the years? '''[[User:Catalan|JonCatalán]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Catalan|(Talk)]]</sup> 09:53, 9 November 2010 (CST)
::Mises Wiki year pages I think would be fine--they could be like WP year pages, containing the major events of the year, but with an austro-libertarian focus. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:48, 9 November 2010 (CST)

==Media Tutorial==

I've going to link this from the opening text [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBahdIAzFo] --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:30, 11 November 2010 (CST)

== A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought ==

Why "A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought"?

I am no minarchist! Is this a minarchist wiki?! --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.200.246|84.60.200.246]] 09:48, 27 December 2010 (CST)
:This could indeed be a very rich discussion. Maybe there is room for a page or article on the "variants" of classical liberal thought. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 16:12, 27 December 2010 (CST)
:It's not exclusively minarchist. I define "classical liberal" broadly, encompassing the thought of Spooner and Rothbard as well as J. S. Mill and Hayek. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:16, 27 December 2010 (CST)
I don't understand that. When it is "A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought", why do you have sites like [[Kazakhstan]] and [[Harry S. Truman]]? Or should it be an encyclopedia in the Classical-Liberal Thought? Or is it rather "a wiki project dedicated to the advancement of the Austrian School of Economics and related thought", or do you think it is the same. If the latter is the case, what is to say about [[praxeology]] or [[argumentation ethics]] as "Classical-Liberal Thought"? --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 08:42, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:Thinkers in the tradition of classical liberalism can and will have perspectives on Kazakhstan and Harry S. Truman; this wiki is meant to capture those perspectives and contrast them with "mainstream," anti-liberty views. On the other hand, praxeology is a field developed by the intellectual children of classical liberalism, thus information about it obviously belongs here. Again: define classical liberalism broadly, encompassing the thought of Jefferson, J. S. Mill, Hayek, and Mises, as well as Spooner, Rothbard, and Block. The thoughts of all these people, and people like them, on any subject, is the scope of this wiki. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:00, 28 December 2010 (CST)
::"Harry S. Truman (May 8, 1884 – December 26, 1972) was the 33rd President of the United States (1945–1953)." What is the contrast with "mainstream," anti-liberty views, please? Or, you mean an encyclopedia ''in the view'' of Classical-Liberal Thought. But then a minarchist is also one who may offer his totalitarian doctrine on every issue, for example that of reasoning Jefferson's wars. Obviously, you believe that the descriptions are of the same meaning. But that is nonsense. Hans Hoppe, e.g., is not correctly to describe as thinker of the classical liberalism perspective. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 10:12, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::Note that above I said "perspective<u>s</u> on Kazakhstan and Harry S. Truman." That is, different thinkers within the classical liberal tradition (from Milton Friedman to Hans Hoppe) will have different perspectives (obviously), and this is the place to record all of them, comparing and contrasting them.
:::As for [[Harry S. Truman]], it's a work in progress: eventually, the article could challenge a number of mainstream views related to Truman's presidency. The article currently links to [[President of the United States]]: that article could be expanded to discuss how the position came into being (as part of the [[United States Constitution]]). The Constitution's article could describe the thinking of the founders, compare it against the [[Articles of Confederation]] and other systems of government and non-government (monarchy, democracy, state of nature, etc.). The goal is to use an encyclopedia format to challenge statist assumptions and lead people to libertarian and anarchist thought.
:::Like Wikipedia, the goal is not to write "truth" (because minarchists and anarchists disagree on what the "truth" may be), but to quote prominent thinkers and describe significant ideas. Unlike Wikipedia, our encyclopedia is biased in favor of liberty and in opposition to the state and its evils. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:03, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::: You may say that Hoppe thinks in the result of classical liberal tradition but this would only be an awkward historical view of yesterday by someone who want to reboot the old American society. You claim also to use a full encyclopedia format which could contrast, or may contrast later, or never. But the result would be a new Wikipedia with 90 % copy code. For the goal to contrast, it is enough to give for every concept some useful urls of mises.org and other a-political think thanks and to abstract the differences to the mainstream views. This would be more useful and more reachable than to create an article for every small Hitler and every small region. However, my aim was only to find a well description of the project and I cant see that you have thought twice about it. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 12:09, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::::Re Hoppe as the intellectual child of classical liberalism: I suppose reasonable people can disagree. Nonetheless, if there is any inaccuracy, it is in the term: his thought is certainly included in the scope of this wiki. Re Wikipedia vs. Mises Wiki, it is my goal that this wiki not rely on Wikipedia. Some articles do, but others, like [[American Civil War]] and [[President of the United States]], do not. Re encyclopedia vs. collection of links: Wikipedia has had astonishing success ''because'' it is written in encyclopedia format and ''is not'' a mere collection of related links. Re "I cant see that you have think twice about it," there's no need to be unfriendly. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:58, 28 December 2010 (CST)
::::: Wikipedia should be an encyclopedia but a "global repository" must not be one. We should clear this point on [[MisesWiki:Commons]]. Okay, inaccuracy in the term. Hence, why not "repository of a-political thought." Thus, one must not assume to visit a Minarchist wiki. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 14:52, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::::: We are open to anything but I like repository partially because it lacks a strict definition. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited. So repository seems to work here. As for classical liberal, anarcho-capitalism is certainly part of the liberal tradition if one thinks of it in a sweeping way, backwards in time and forwards in time. In this sense Seneca and Aristotle are part of the liberal tradition. I would be happy with liberal but of course that confuses people and hence the classical part, but that introduces the confusion that we are talking about 18th and 19th century thought of a particular kind (minarchism). Libertarian is good but that tends to conjure up political associations and not research or intellectual ones. Classical liberalism seems broader. Another possibility is "liberty-minded thought" but that has its own problems (certainly every conservative organization claims to favor liberty). Anyway, I just throw all that out there. Maybe something is better than classically liberal as a descriptor but I can't think of it.--[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:56, 5 January 2011 (CST)

You haven't mentioned my proposal of "politically unaffected and independent."

There is a piece in the [[Mises Institute]] article that underlines this. It "does not seek to implement public policy. It has no formal affiliation with any political party (including the Libertarian Party), nor does it receive funding from any." and "Its declared mission is to back research and writing in defense of Austrian economics, the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations, while opposing government intervention as economically and socially destructive."

This is short and clear enough. It is important that it clearly remains, and that all editors know what the Mises Institute expects of the wiki in order that editors are able to fulfill the wishes. Thus, I don't understand that you can't think of a better descriptor. It is already on hand.

Other pure verbal efforts in [[MisesWiki:About]] and [[MisesWiki:Five Pillars]] are diluting the clear guest above, too. I don't know, who is responsible.

Even if it slightly is another lot, it demonstrates the effects of a misleaded understanding. E.g.:"it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality." I would say it is partial nonsense implemented from a Wikipedia view. Neutrality is not a very clear term but it is impossible (in my opinion) to contrast different classical liberal and related thought without any kind of neutrality.

And the encyclopedia/repository controversy is also fortified here. "Mises Wiki is an online encyclopedia".

Or, "Even with this policy of bias toward the Austrian School, the personal experiences, interpretations, and opinions of editors do not belong here." What's then about completely unreviewed books by Stefan Molyneux like [[Universally Preferable Behaviour]]?

And btw., "Mises Wiki users should interact in a respectful and civil manner." This pillar is completely superfluous because it is nearly the same to say, you should insult nobody. That is a rule which has no praxeological stance in the Austrian view.
--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 05:50, 6 January 2011 (CST)
::That strikes me as too eccentric for a description of a wiki actually. --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 13:18, 11 January 2011 (CST)

Even when you want to use your slogan as eye-catcher (also eccentric for me but your matter) then it is still useful to explain what is actually meant by "classical liberal thought" at the Main Page, About or so.

So what we should write? Or even better, edit it yourself.
I have done the job for the part that belongs to "repository" by coping some of your text to the About page. I am not convinced enough by the rest.

The economist Mark W. Hendrickson narrates: "One of my colleagues now avoids labeling himself an Austrian economist because his interlocutors then assume that he is an anarchist." because of the name "Mises Institute". [http://www.brookesnews.com/101204mises.html]
I hope that I get no similar problem since people could assume that I am minarchist because of "classical liberal thought". --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 05:17, 12 January 2011 (CST)

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== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

[http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Full_reserve_banking#cite_note-5 Full reserve banking] has also some template error, as in [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking|this]]; and a video template is required [[Peter Schiff|here]]. That is hopefully all!

On a different topic - do you think it would make sense to start organizing projects in this wiki, or is that premature? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 06:15, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll try to take a look at those templates later today. Are you talking about Wikiprojects? Setting them up is probably best done by someone interested in the subject and not for its own sake – so I wouldn't suggest creating a wide variety of projects, but if there's a particular subject or type of article that interests you, go for it. Active projects can be great ways for people to get involved; abandoned projects make the place look like a big empty building. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 17 November 2010 (CST)
::I've created the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History]], although the name seems a little unwieldy. Before I start creating more pages, do you think the name and (category) is appropriate, or could we shorten WikiProject to Project? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:51, 20 November 2010 (CST)
:::Sounds fine to me. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:32, 22 November 2010 (CST)

Would it be possible to get some CSS added to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] to fix the formatting on [[Template:Header]]? I would do it myself but I don't have the required permissions. [[User:Anarchei|Anarchei]] 01:43, 29 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit" and this restricts their investment and banking options and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?
[[User:Wesleybruce|Wesleybruce]] 00:07, 17 November 2010 (CST)

:There are writings around on pretty much any topic, but sometimes one needs to pick and choose a little. A Stub for [[Charity]] was created with a few links that could be of use - perhaps that could help out? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:39, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:Regarding "original work," I wouldn't worry about it too much. I doubt that we are going to be as hardheaded about that as Wikipedia is in articles on "new" subjects. The preferred approach might be to build articles based on current work, with references, and then branch off based on that. Thus, Hayek said xyz about charity (he didn't think it had much hope of solving the problem), but his paradigm didn't include new charity options. Or Walter Block and Murry Rothbard say xyz about pollution, but other areas that haven't been looked into are ___.
:You might also get in touch with Stephan Kinsella; he runs Libertarian Papers and if you put something together he might be inclined to have it reviewed and published, especially in a new area like this. That way we'd end up with a published, reliable article to cite. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 07:10, 17 November 2010 (CST)

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For his numerous and highly clueful edits in the early days of the Mises Wiki, I hereby present this Mises Bust to Forgottenman. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 13:18, 19 November 2010 (CST)
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:That put a smile on my face. Just awesome; thanks. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:20, 19 November 2010 (CST)

== The 'Anniversaries' project ==

Hey, Forgot, a question: With all the unfinished anniversary pages, might you be able to create a little "Project Page" (like the "Economic History" project) that gives us a few guidelines about what to put where? I was wondering because the anniversary dates show up as top-ranked in the [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages]] list and it might be helpful for us folks to know how to add things. Thanks in advance! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 14:32, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:I've added instructions to [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:04, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::Yes, noticed almost right away. Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST) Wondering now about:

==The concept of "Projects"==
Our only official "project" to date is the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history project]]. Do these four pages qualify as "projects" worthy of the category "WikiProjects" ?

:* [[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Current events|Current events]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Community portal|Community portal]]

They all have "project page" as their first tab, yet I don't see any code inside the Economic History project page that makes it unique to be a special project. Seems these four may also be special cases needing focus, building, expansion, explanations, etc. Am not pushing hard for these necessarily. I am just looking to see if these deserve the designation. Thanks for your thoughts as time permits. Maybe we can discuss this in our soon-to-be-developed forum! :) If this is too much for your talk page, I could move to the Google mailing list, if you like. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:On Wikipedia at least the Wikiprojects are primarily for content creation or specific maintenance tasks. My preference would be to continue in that tradition; the other pages you mention seem different from that. "Anniversaries" would be closest, I think, to being an actual Wikiproject, but the thing is that it really isn't a project that will need a lot of maintenance once it is set up (though that will take at least several months). I'd say put it on the Community portal to draw attention to it, but I wouldn't call it a wikiproject. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:55, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::'k. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:03, 27 November 2010 (CST)

== Placement of stub tags ==

The stubs category page had suggested including the tag at either the beginning or the end of the article. As I see you moving them to the end of various pages, shall we change the instruction as well? Thanks for all your good works. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Thanks, I didn't realize it said that. If anyone disagrees with my edit comment in my edit to [[:Category:Article stubs|that page]], I'm happy to discuss it. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:19, 29 November 2010 (CST)

== idioms ==

Hello
Can i write in spanish my contributions, changes and wikis?

thanks. {{unsigned|09:15, 3 January 2011|Arenas}}
:Hola Arenas: Es posible que vaya a ser un Mises Wiki en español en el futuro, si hay interés. Pero en este momento hay solamente un Mises Wiki en inglés. Si quieres contribuir, sugiero que agregues contribuciones en español en las páginas de "Talk," y yo puedo traducirlas y añadir el texto al artículo. Por ejémplo, si quieres crear un artículo llamado [[Vicente Fox]], añadir tu contribución en [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] y avísame. Dime si tienes otras preguntas; ayudarte es un placer.
:Hi Arenas: It's possible that in the future there will be a Mises Wiki in Spanish, if there's enough interest. But for now there is only a Mises Wiki in English. If you would like to contribute, I suggest that you add Spanish text to Talk pages, and I can translate them and add the text to the article. For example, if you want to create an article called [[Vicente Fox]], add your text to [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] and let me know. If you have other questions let me know; I'm glad to help. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 3 January 2011 (CST)

== Don't remove ==

See http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/MisesWiki:Commons#Most_wanted_Stub. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:26, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:Ah, if that's what you're referring to then let's create a page and link to it. Putting a red link on a page meant to guide new folks is counterintuitive. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:35, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Is only an open idea. When you think, it's practicable, then create it, please. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:38, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:::I rather doubt it's practicable, but others think so, so I've put it at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:55, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:::: I don't know, too. But a test is no risk. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:21, 6 January 2011 (CST)

== Template ==

I see from above you are the goto guy for requesting templates :) Might I ask for the <nowiki>'''{{reflist|2}}'''</nowiki> one to be activated? It will allow for a far tidier article layout. Thanks [[User:Mark|Mark]] 14:00, 7 January 2011 (CST)
:I just worked on it a bit but it doesn't appear to be working yet; I'll need to do more research to figure it out. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:20, 7 January 2011 (CST)
::Thank you very much :) [[User:Mark|Mark]] 14:25, 7 January 2011 (CST)
Thank you for doing the reflist|2 template, I have another request, would it be possible to get the <nowiki>{{refbegin|2}} and {{refend))</nowiki> done also? <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:Mark|Mark]] ([[User talk:Mark|talk]]) {{#if:Mark|11:42, 11 January 2011}}.</span>
:I've set up the framework, but I'm not familiar with these templates and so I don't know if they are working right now or not. I'll research them later and see what I can find, and write some documentation as well. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:08, 11 January 2011 (CST)
::Thanks. I have tried it out here [[Fighting Communist Organizations]] if you look t othe article`s end you will see that any section below the templates (In this case further reading) appears to get squished up? [[User:Mark|Mark]] 11:19, 11 January 2011 (CST)

== About ==

Well edit, but you don't need to make a bow to one person. Tucker said it, I copied it.

The hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of mises org, is also from him. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 11:15, 11 January 2011 (CST)
:You are the one who introduced the language that the Mises Institute "rules" this wiki; my edit provided support for that claim. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:33, 11 January 2011 (CST)
:: My language is influenced by my troublesomeness to think in English as German. Mr. Tucker may edit this article himself to advance the site (without to quote himself). We are no footmen. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 11:50, 11 January 2011 (CST)

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'''Mises Wiki''' is a web-based, free-content project dedicated to the advancement of the [[Austrian School|Austrian School of Economics]] and related thought. Its content is written collaboratively by volunteers, and anyone can add to and edit Mises Wiki articles.

Mises Wiki was established on November 5, 2010. As of today, there are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users in the last 30 days, {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins, and {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} views.

We encourage all users to contribute, remembering that the best contributions are verifiable against a published source and are written from an Austrian point of view. Encyclopedia-type contributions should not contain editor opinions, as such, nor original, unreviewed research. We also ask that contributors comply, insofar as is possible, with existing laws and regulations concerning [[MisesWiki:Copyrights|copyright]]. However, no edit can permanently damage Mises Wiki, because mistakes can be easily reversed. Just click the "edit" link at the top of any editable page to begin.

For additional help, see [[Help:Contents]].

== Making the best use of Mises Wiki ==
=== Exploring Mises Wiki ===

Mises Wiki is currently in development—every day, [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] are created and [[Special:Recentchanges|changes]] are made. To find articles, use the search box on the left side of the screen, or click "[[Special:Randompage|Random Page]]" to find something new.

=== Using Mises Wiki as a research tool ===

Readers of Mises Wiki need to know that not all of its articles are of encyclopedic quality, and that many subjects are poorly represented. However, because changes and additions are easy to make, we are confident that our encyclopedia will grow into a valuable research tool for all students of the Austrian School of Economics and libertarianism in general.

The ''ideal'' Mises Wiki article clearly and concisely presents the Austro-libertarian perspective, contrasting it with opposing views, and being careful to provide verifiable information.

== About Mises Wiki ==
Mises Wiki is still in its developmental stages, and as such, it does not have firm rules. Its parent, the [[Mises Institute]], remains its guiding force. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited. And we hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of Mises.org itself.


== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



[[Category:Mises Wiki basic information|About]]

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Reserved: /* About Mises Wiki */

'''Mises Wiki''' is a web-based, free-content project dedicated to the advancement of the [[Austrian School|Austrian School of Economics]] and related thought. Its content is written collaboratively by volunteers, and anyone can add to and edit Mises Wiki articles.

Mises Wiki was established on November 5, 2010. As of today, there are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users in the last 30 days, {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins, and {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} views.

We encourage all users to contribute, remembering that the best contributions are verifiable against a published source and are written from an Austrian point of view. Encyclopedia-type contributions should not contain editor opinions, as such, nor original, unreviewed research. We also ask that contributors comply, insofar as is possible, with existing laws and regulations concerning [[MisesWiki:Copyrights|copyright]]. However, no edit can permanently damage Mises Wiki, because mistakes can be easily reversed. Just click the "edit" link at the top of any editable page to begin.

For additional help, see [[Help:Contents]].

== Making the best use of Mises Wiki ==
=== Exploring Mises Wiki ===

Mises Wiki is currently in development—every day, [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] are created and [[Special:Recentchanges|changes]] are made. To find articles, use the search box on the left side of the screen, or click "[[Special:Randompage|Random Page]]" to find something new.

=== Using Mises Wiki as a research tool ===

Readers of Mises Wiki need to know that not all of its articles are of encyclopedic quality, and that many subjects are poorly represented. However, because changes and additions are easy to make, we are confident that our encyclopedia will grow into a valuable research tool for all students of the Austrian School of Economics and libertarianism in general.

The ''ideal'' Mises Wiki article clearly and concisely presents the Austro-libertarian perspective, contrasting it with opposing views, and being careful to provide verifiable information.

== About Mises Wiki ==
Mises Wiki is still in its developmental stages, and as such, it does not have firm rules. Its parent, the [[Mises Institute]], remains its guiding force. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited. And we hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of Mises.org itself.



== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



[[Category:Mises Wiki basic information|About]]

Austrian Economics Wiki:About

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'''Mises Wiki''' is a web-based, free-content project dedicated to the advancement of the [[Austrian School|Austrian School of Economics]] and related thought. Its content is written collaboratively by volunteers, and anyone can add to and edit Mises Wiki articles.

Mises Wiki was established on November 5, 2010. As of today, there are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users in the last 30 days, {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins, and {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} views.

We encourage all users to contribute, remembering that the best contributions are verifiable against a published source and are written from an Austrian point of view. Encyclopedia-type contributions should not contain editor opinions, as such, nor original, unreviewed research. We also ask that contributors comply, insofar as is possible, with existing laws and regulations concerning [[MisesWiki:Copyrights|copyright]]. However, no edit can permanently damage Mises Wiki, because mistakes can be easily reversed. Just click the "edit" link at the top of any editable page to begin.

For additional help, see [[Help:Contents]].

== Making the best use of Mises Wiki ==
=== Exploring Mises Wiki ===

Mises Wiki is currently in development—every day, [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] are created and [[Special:Recentchanges|changes]] are made. To find articles, use the search box on the left side of the screen, or click "[[Special:Randompage|Random Page]]" to find something new.

=== Using Mises Wiki as a research tool ===

Readers of Mises Wiki need to know that not all of its articles are of encyclopedic quality, and that many subjects are poorly represented. However, because changes and additions are easy to make, we are confident that our encyclopedia will grow into a valuable research tool for all students of the Austrian School of Economics and libertarianism in general.

The ''ideal'' Mises Wiki article clearly and concisely presents the Austro-libertarian perspective, contrasting it with opposing views, and being careful to provide verifiable information.

== About Mises Wiki ==
Mises Wiki is still in its developmental stages, and as such, it does not have firm rules. Its parent, the [[Mises Institute]], remains its guiding force. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited.
And we hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of Mises.org itself.



== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



[[Category:Mises Wiki basic information|About]]

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<div style="text-align:center; font-size:larger;">'''This is my talk page'''. Click the "New section" tab ("+") above to start a new topic, or simply <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.mises.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Forgottenman&action=edit&section=new click here]</span>. <br />Sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> when you're finished, and click "Save page." Thanks!</div>

== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

[http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Full_reserve_banking#cite_note-5 Full reserve banking] has also some template error, as in [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking|this]]; and a video template is required [[Peter Schiff|here]]. That is hopefully all!

On a different topic - do you think it would make sense to start organizing projects in this wiki, or is that premature? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 06:15, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll try to take a look at those templates later today. Are you talking about Wikiprojects? Setting them up is probably best done by someone interested in the subject and not for its own sake – so I wouldn't suggest creating a wide variety of projects, but if there's a particular subject or type of article that interests you, go for it. Active projects can be great ways for people to get involved; abandoned projects make the place look like a big empty building. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 17 November 2010 (CST)
::I've created the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History]], although the name seems a little unwieldy. Before I start creating more pages, do you think the name and (category) is appropriate, or could we shorten WikiProject to Project? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:51, 20 November 2010 (CST)
:::Sounds fine to me. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:32, 22 November 2010 (CST)

Would it be possible to get some CSS added to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] to fix the formatting on [[Template:Header]]? I would do it myself but I don't have the required permissions. [[User:Anarchei|Anarchei]] 01:43, 29 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit" and this restricts their investment and banking options and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?
[[User:Wesleybruce|Wesleybruce]] 00:07, 17 November 2010 (CST)

:There are writings around on pretty much any topic, but sometimes one needs to pick and choose a little. A Stub for [[Charity]] was created with a few links that could be of use - perhaps that could help out? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:39, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:Regarding "original work," I wouldn't worry about it too much. I doubt that we are going to be as hardheaded about that as Wikipedia is in articles on "new" subjects. The preferred approach might be to build articles based on current work, with references, and then branch off based on that. Thus, Hayek said xyz about charity (he didn't think it had much hope of solving the problem), but his paradigm didn't include new charity options. Or Walter Block and Murry Rothbard say xyz about pollution, but other areas that haven't been looked into are ___.
:You might also get in touch with Stephan Kinsella; he runs Libertarian Papers and if you put something together he might be inclined to have it reviewed and published, especially in a new area like this. That way we'd end up with a published, reliable article to cite. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 07:10, 17 November 2010 (CST)

==Mises Bust for Meritorious Editing==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For his numerous and highly clueful edits in the early days of the Mises Wiki, I hereby present this Mises Bust to Forgottenman. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 13:18, 19 November 2010 (CST)
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:That put a smile on my face. Just awesome; thanks. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:20, 19 November 2010 (CST)

== The 'Anniversaries' project ==

Hey, Forgot, a question: With all the unfinished anniversary pages, might you be able to create a little "Project Page" (like the "Economic History" project) that gives us a few guidelines about what to put where? I was wondering because the anniversary dates show up as top-ranked in the [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages]] list and it might be helpful for us folks to know how to add things. Thanks in advance! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 14:32, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:I've added instructions to [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:04, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::Yes, noticed almost right away. Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST) Wondering now about:

==The concept of "Projects"==
Our only official "project" to date is the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history project]]. Do these four pages qualify as "projects" worthy of the category "WikiProjects" ?

:* [[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Current events|Current events]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Community portal|Community portal]]

They all have "project page" as their first tab, yet I don't see any code inside the Economic History project page that makes it unique to be a special project. Seems these four may also be special cases needing focus, building, expansion, explanations, etc. Am not pushing hard for these necessarily. I am just looking to see if these deserve the designation. Thanks for your thoughts as time permits. Maybe we can discuss this in our soon-to-be-developed forum! :) If this is too much for your talk page, I could move to the Google mailing list, if you like. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:On Wikipedia at least the Wikiprojects are primarily for content creation or specific maintenance tasks. My preference would be to continue in that tradition; the other pages you mention seem different from that. "Anniversaries" would be closest, I think, to being an actual Wikiproject, but the thing is that it really isn't a project that will need a lot of maintenance once it is set up (though that will take at least several months). I'd say put it on the Community portal to draw attention to it, but I wouldn't call it a wikiproject. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:55, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::'k. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:03, 27 November 2010 (CST)

== Placement of stub tags ==

The stubs category page had suggested including the tag at either the beginning or the end of the article. As I see you moving them to the end of various pages, shall we change the instruction as well? Thanks for all your good works. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Thanks, I didn't realize it said that. If anyone disagrees with my edit comment in my edit to [[:Category:Article stubs|that page]], I'm happy to discuss it. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:19, 29 November 2010 (CST)

== idioms ==

Hello
Can i write in spanish my contributions, changes and wikis?

thanks. {{unsigned|09:15, 3 January 2011|Arenas}}
:Hola Arenas: Es posible que vaya a ser un Mises Wiki en español en el futuro, si hay interés. Pero en este momento hay solamente un Mises Wiki en inglés. Si quieres contribuir, sugiero que agregues contribuciones en español en las páginas de "Talk," y yo puedo traducirlas y añadir el texto al artículo. Por ejémplo, si quieres crear un artículo llamado [[Vicente Fox]], añadir tu contribución en [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] y avísame. Dime si tienes otras preguntas; ayudarte es un placer.
:Hi Arenas: It's possible that in the future there will be a Mises Wiki in Spanish, if there's enough interest. But for now there is only a Mises Wiki in English. If you would like to contribute, I suggest that you add Spanish text to Talk pages, and I can translate them and add the text to the article. For example, if you want to create an article called [[Vicente Fox]], add your text to [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] and let me know. If you have other questions let me know; I'm glad to help. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 3 January 2011 (CST)

== Don't remove ==

See http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/MisesWiki:Commons#Most_wanted_Stub. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:26, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:Ah, if that's what you're referring to then let's create a page and link to it. Putting a red link on a page meant to guide new folks is counterintuitive. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:35, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Is only an open idea. When you think, it's practicable, then create it, please. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:38, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:::I rather doubt it's practicable, but others think so, so I've put it at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:55, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:::: I don't know, too. But a test is no risk. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:21, 6 January 2011 (CST)

== Template ==

I see from above you are the goto guy for requesting templates :) Might I ask for the <nowiki>'''{{reflist|2}}'''</nowiki> one to be activated? It will allow for a far tidier article layout. Thanks [[User:Mark|Mark]] 14:00, 7 January 2011 (CST)
:I just worked on it a bit but it doesn't appear to be working yet; I'll need to do more research to figure it out. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:20, 7 January 2011 (CST)
::Thank you very much :) [[User:Mark|Mark]] 14:25, 7 January 2011 (CST)
Thank you for doing the reflist|2 template, I have another request, would it be possible to get the <nowiki>{{refbegin|2}} and {{refend))</nowiki> done also? <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:Mark|Mark]] ([[User talk:Mark|talk]]) {{#if:Mark|11:42, 11 January 2011}}.</span>
:I've set up the framework, but I'm not familiar with these templates and so I don't know if they are working right now or not. I'll research them later and see what I can find, and write some documentation as well. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:08, 11 January 2011 (CST)

== About ==

Well edit, but you don't need to make a bow to one person. Tucker said it, I copied it.

The hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of mises org, is also from him. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 11:15, 11 January 2011 (CST)

Austrian Economics Wiki:About

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'''Mises Wiki''' is a web-based, free-content project dedicated to the advancement of the [[Austrian School|Austrian School of Economics]] and related thought. Its content is written collaboratively by volunteers, and anyone can add to and edit Mises Wiki articles.

Mises Wiki was established on November 5, 2010. As of today, there are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users in the last 30 days, {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins, and {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} views.

We encourage all users to contribute, remembering that the best contributions are verifiable against a published source and are written from an Austrian point of view. Editor opinions, as such, and original, unreviewed research, do not belong in an opposing, encyclopaedic format. We also ask that contributors comply, insofar as is possible, with existing laws and regulations concerning [[MisesWiki:Copyrights|copyright]]. However, no edit can permanently damage Mises Wiki, because mistakes can be easily reversed. Just click the "edit" link at the top of any editable page to begin.

For additional help, see [[Help:Contents]].

== Making the best use of Mises Wiki ==
=== Exploring Mises Wiki ===

Mises Wiki is currently in development—every day, [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] are created and [[Special:Recentchanges|changes]] are made. To find articles, use the search box on the left side of the screen, or click "[[Special:Randompage|Random Page]]" to find something new.

=== Using Mises Wiki as a research tool ===

Readers of Mises Wiki need to know that not all of its articles are of encyclopedic quality, and that many subjects are poorly represented. However, because changes and additions are easy to make, we are confident that our encyclopedia will grow into a valuable research tool for all students of the Austrian School of Economics and libertarianism in general.

The ''ideal'' Mises Wiki article clearly and concisely presents the Austro-libertarian perspective, contrasting it with opposing views, and being careful to provide verifiable information. Mises Wiki is free content and does not have firm rules. However, the Mises Institute rules it. Rules on Mises Wiki are not fixed in stone, because it is not clear yet how it will shape. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited. And we hope that this wiki can eventually come to replace major sections of
Mises.org itself.


== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



[[Category:Mises Wiki basic information|About]]

Austrian Economics Wiki:About

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'''Mises Wiki''' is a web-based, free-content project dedicated to the advancement of the [[Austrian School|Austrian School of Economics]] and related thought. Its content is written collaboratively by volunteers, and anyone can add to and edit Mises Wiki articles.

Mises Wiki was established on November 5, 2010. As of today, there are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users in the last 30 days, {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins, and {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} views.

We encourage all users to contribute, remembering that the best contributions are verifiable against a published source and are written from an Austrian point of view. Editor opinions, as such, and original, unreviewed research, do not belong here. We also ask that contributors comply, insofar as is possible, with existing laws and regulations concerning [[MisesWiki:Copyrights|copyright]]. However, no edit can permanently damage Mises Wiki, because mistakes can be easily reversed. Just click the "edit" link at the top of any editable page to begin.

For additional help, see [[Help:Contents]].

== Making the best use of Mises Wiki ==
=== Exploring Mises Wiki ===

Mises Wiki is currently in development—every day, [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] are created and [[Special:Recentchanges|changes]] are made. To find articles, use the search box on the left side of the screen, or click "[[Special:Randompage|Random Page]]" to find something new.

=== Using Mises Wiki as a research tool ===

Readers of Mises Wiki need to know that not all of its articles are of encyclopedic quality, and that many subjects are poorly represented. However, because changes and additions are easy to make, we are confident that our encyclopedia will grow into a valuable research tool for all students of the Austrian School of Economics and libertarianism in general.

The ''ideal'' Mises Wiki article clearly and concisely presents the Austro-libertarian perspective, contrasting it with opposing views, and being careful to provide verifiable information.
== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



[[Category:Mises Wiki basic information|About]]

Austrian Economics Wiki:Commons

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<div class="messagebox" style="width:100%; padding:.5em;">Welcome to '''The Mises Commons''', the central discussion board where you can make announcements, propose new ideas, and ask questions of the entire community.

<p>To add a new item, add a <code><nowiki>==Level two header==</nowiki></code> to introduce it.</p>

<p>For discussion related to long-term planning and development, also see the [https://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki/topics Mises Wiki Google Group].</p></div>
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==Style guide==
I would like to recommend that we use the ''Chicago Manual of Style'' as a basis for a [[MisesWiki:Manual of Style]] rather than the [[wikipedia:WP:MOS|Wikipedia Manual of Style]]. The WP:MOS makes a large number of stylistic concessions in order to appeal to international speakers of English, resulting in a MOS that incorporates a variety of styles. Mises.org uses CMS as its style guide, and I think it makes sense to use it here as well, as most of our readers are Americans. Two things affected are:
*Spelling (use American all the time)
*Punctuation in relation to quotation marks (commas and periods should always appear inside quotation marks)
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind. Thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Yes, keeping the readership in mind, that's probably a sensible idea. You'll have to be patient with me though, as I'm used to writing under British conventions. [[User:Sovereign|Sovereign]] 12:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)

[[Category:Mises Wiki|Commons]]

==New project==
It seems we could use a new project for the organization of small things - checking links, wikification of text, creating stubs, etc. Also needs a way to easily vote on the next page of interest. Ideas? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 18:05, 2 December 2010 (CST)
:Sounds reasonable. I'll set it up with some ideas at [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup]]. We'll need to develop more cleanup categories. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:38, 3 December 2010 (CST)
::Looks nice already! Thanks. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

==Most wanted Stub==
Below, let's vote on the most desired stub, that is still missing and really, really should be created, with some good content for a start. Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can create the stub(s) in question, too! Once created, the candidates will be removed from the list. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[Free market]]: +2
* [[World War I]]: +0
* [[New Deal]]: +0
:For what it's worth, I've put this section and the one following at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:54, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Most wanted update is better. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:29, 6 January 2011 (CST) The question is, why should I make a request to create a stub?--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:11, 7 January 2011 (CST)
:::"Most wanted", as the name hints, attempts to find the most desired pages to be created or updated, which will be done by whoever feels like it. No need to overspeculate things, Reserved, join the fray and create some content! :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 12:19, 8 January 2011 (CST)

==Most wanted update==
Which page badly deserves to be extended? Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can update the page, too! Once sufficiently improved, the candidates will be removed from the list (but can be entered again for another round of updates). [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[‎John Maynard Keynes]]: +0
* [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]: +0
* [[Charity]]: +2
* [[Karl Marx]]: +1
* [[Estate tax]]: +0

It's maybe better to mark sections directly which have to be improved. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:27, 7 January 2011 (CST)
:And yes, sections or pages, that need improvement, should be marked directly. This is for the "Most wanted" updates. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 12:21, 8 January 2011 (CST)

:: Ah, it is only an additional snap-reading method for the caretakers, okay. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:10, 8 January 2011 (CST)

== "External links" --> "Links"? ==

Any thoughts on not using WP's convention of calling the links at the end "External links" but instead simply "Links"? My thinking is that in many cases the links are pointing to mises.org pages (such as literature pages, blog posts, etc.) and thus are not strictly "external." Plus, the word is redundant anyway. We could still use "See also" for referring to tangentially related wiki articles. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:I am open to that upon first reflection. I am assuming we would likely continue a "See also" section for other related Mises Wiki article links not mentioned already in the main text. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)
::Right. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:49, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:Actually, that is a good idea! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 11:23, 6 December 2010 (CST)

== Positioning links from Mises Wiki to Wikipedia ==

I have been noticing links to Wikipedia main articles in various locations within the list of links to other resources, articles, etc. Perhaps we might suggest that, if the link to the related main Wikipedia entry is included, we make it the final entry in the list. I am thinking the reader is somewhat more likely to be getting a Classical-Liberal (and similar) point of view in the first links indicated, with the general readership-orientation of Wikipedia best fit for the reader's last choice. If this is already the working style, then perhaps someone might confirm. Thoughts? -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 12:02, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:That seems reasonable. Same for other general resources, I suppose. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:09, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Suggested order of closing sections ==

Is there a working rule of thumb for the order of the closing sections? I just added the '''See also''' section on the [[Great Depression#See also|Great Depression]] page, and it seems out of whack.

I am thinking the order should be:

* See also
* Links
* References

Opinions? Input? And are there further sections we should take into account in this discussion? Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 20:06, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:WP standard is "See also" then "References" then "Links" (see [[wikipedia:WP:FOOTERS]]). I like links to be last because they are least related to the content of the article. References specifically relate to the article itself; links point the reader outside the wiki and thus (IMHO) belong at the end. I'm okay with putting "See also" below or above references; either way makes sense. Other footer section types might be "Works" (i.e., on the page of a person – include a list of books he's written) and "Further reading" (like "Links" but to hard copy books for which links aren't available and which weren't used as references). Regarding those, I say Works first, and Further reading second to last. So:
:*Works
:*References
:*See also
:*Further reading
:*Links
:Or switch 2 and 3. Other ideas? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 22:57, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Article # 400 ==

Don't know if anyone noticed, but our 400th article is on none other than [[Taxation]] !! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:06, 12 December 2010 (CST)
:Yes, great work everyone! I wonder when we can get to 500. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 17:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)
== Guide ==

A guide of articles for newbies to basics of Economics or mises would be great. I don't know where start and it would be great to have that sort of guide/suggestion to start reading some articles. <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:PLj9N|PLj9N]] ([[User talk:PLj9N|talk]]) {{#if:PLj9N|19:22, 12 December 2010}}.</span>
:An excellent idea! As we build the wiki a "reader's guide" of some sort would be quite helpful for others as well, I imagine. Thanks! --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:I second (third?) this. I would also suggest that there be two introductions: one for those completely new to economics (in a similar vein to Murphy's Lessons for the Young Economist), and one that introduces concepts in Austrian economics to those who are familiar with "mainstream" economics. -- [[User:Six|Six]] 23:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:Definitely agreed. The wiki itself is meant to be a backbone for educational efforts. One could start a project with a bunch of pages and steal text left and right, concentrating on simple writing. The underlying pages would supply links to more resources and would contain the more difficult and obscure details.

:Add another wanted on the heap: a category for reading lists. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 09:00, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Logic category ==

With the key basis for Austrian economics being deductive logic, and a lacking of articles on deductive logic, I'd like to suggest that logic in its general form should be part of the scope of this wiki, possibly cultivated within a 'Logic' category. Naturally, we can make this relevant to economics through examples (rather than the traditional All Men are Mortal example). -- [[User:Six|Six]] 08:26, 13 December 2010 (CST)
:Logic is already part of the scope of this wiki, and it is only logical. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:51, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Repeat a link if already in references? ==

A minor issue perhaps, but if a link is already used as a reference, is there a working rule of thumb about whether or not to further include it as a separate and distinct link? The question occurred when looking at this entry: [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]. (At this writing, the Attarian work is mentioned twice.) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)
:Good catch. In general I think there's no need to link in both places. There may be a few exceptions to the rule; perhaps if the link is essential to the subject it might be permissible to put it in both. For example, if we cite the mises.org pdf of ''Conceived in Liberty'' in the [[Conceived in Liberty]] article, we'd still want to link the pdf in the external links section. But in this case references only is probably fine. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:05, 16 December 2010 (CST)

== Creating a new sub-category ==

Tried to create a subcategory of Writings by Author|Chodorov, Frank and I don't seem to be doing it correctly. I supplied the new entry [[Out of Step (book)]] with the sub-category, thinking I'd end up with a red link to create it, but it's not appearing the way I imagined it. Perhaps someone can enlighten? Thanks in advance. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:34, 18 December 2010 (CST)
:You needed to create a new subcategory by adding the full category name to the Chodorov work: [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]]. What you did was simply add the book to [[:Category:Writings by Author]]—the "|Chodorov, Frank" didn't do anything because that is only used for sorting on the category page. In general, my process for creating a new category is to add a nonexistent category to an article, resulting in a red link. Then click the red link to access the about-to-be-created category page. On that page, add the parent category and create. See [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]] to see what I did there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:54, 20 December 2010 (CST)
::Thanks! Will explore more later. :) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:19, 20 December 2010 (CST)

== Mark all copies ==

Please mark all copy text from Wikipedia or elsewhere with

{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"
|-
| style="background:yellow" | || --copy text--
|}
or so.

Code:<br>
<nowiki>{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|-</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>| style="background:yellow" | || text</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 10:25, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure that such visible notice is necessary. Copies from Wikipedia need simply to be acknowledged. But really only editors need to know which information was copied. So it would be much better to use html comments (<! -- and -- >, without spaces, see the edit window for an example) to indicate this. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:02, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:: Such ideals don't exist. Editors start in the state to be a reader. Everything that should be rewritten needs comments. The best place is the direct one. See also the edits of Karmaisking after my ones in [[Austrian School]]. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 04:41, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:::Fair enough. To make this easier, you can use a template I just created, [[Template:Rewrite]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:22, 3 January 2011 (CST)

::::Fine --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 03:58, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== USA-centrism ==

I am wondering if we might consider aiming for a more global perspective in our developing articles. This has been occurring to me as I have been tinkering with [[Net neutrality]], a timely issue in the U.S. as of December 2010 but still with application elsewhere.

After all, at this writing we are billed as "A Global Repository". Further, in presenting praxeological truths that remain true regardless of location or era, a global approach--or at least acknowledgement--seems prudent and consistent.

Of course, I also recognize I can simply take this approach on my own whether or not anyone else "approves," and maybe it is mostly my eyes that have been slow to open, while perhaps most are already doing this. I thought I would at least put the idea out on the table for others' consideration.

Any of you non-USA folks care to chime in? Are readers of Mises Wiki as concentrated in the USA as we might think? Please feel free, all. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 15:58, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:Do you have specific suggestions on how to aim for this goal? In general I'd leave this to the discretion of the users, let them work on whatever they are interested in. A certain USA-centricity is probably unavoidable (speaking from Europe here). But if you want to make the thought more popular and maybe even coordinate the efforts, you could make an "International" WikiProject. There are even users thinking about writing in [http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/User_talk:Forgottenman#idioms different languages], so it could house them as well.
:Speaking of statistics, the page with the Meetups is the second most visited page, but the number of international visitors (or visitors in total) would be interesting to know... will try to find out more. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:53, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== What constitutes a minor edit ==

From the [[Help:Wiki FAQ]]:

"...Generally, small formatting changes, adding a link, changing a category, or fixing one or two spelling or grammar mistakes are all considered minor edits. If that describes your edit, check the box. It helps other users keeping an eye on that page that you didn't make a drastic edit.

"Larger edits, like those involving actual content, or substantial reorganization of the article, are not minor edits. Don't check the "This is a minor edit" box when you save; otherwise people might think you're trying to mislead them. For this reason, if you think your edit might be controversial, no matter how big it is, don't call it a minor edit."
--[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:25, 5 January 2011 (CST)
:Is this a question? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:50, 7 January 2011 (CST)
::No. The "minor edit" indicator has been used incorrectly of late, so I thought I would include this here for general review. Sorry to confuse. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 23:10, 7 January 2011 (CST)

Austrian Economics Wiki:Community portal

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Welcome to Mises Wiki's '''Community portal'''! This is a general listing of easy things you can do to get involved in this project.

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===Create and improve articles===
* [[:Category:Article stubs|Stubs]]: These are articles that someone has marked with <code><nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki></code>, indicating that they need to be expanded and/or improved.
* [[Special:NewPages|Newest articles]]: These brand new articles may need to be reviewed.
* [[Special:ShortPages|Shortest articles]]: Prime candidates for expansion!
* [[:Category:Mises Wiki articles incorporating text from Wikipedia|Articles incorporating text from Wikipedia]] should be improved.
* [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages, by missing links]]: This list shows which nonexistent articles have the most links pointing to them.
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<div class="messagebox" style="width:100%; padding:.5em;">Welcome to '''The Mises Commons''', the central discussion board where you can make announcements, propose new ideas, and ask questions of the entire community.

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==Style guide==
I would like to recommend that we use the ''Chicago Manual of Style'' as a basis for a [[MisesWiki:Manual of Style]] rather than the [[wikipedia:WP:MOS|Wikipedia Manual of Style]]. The WP:MOS makes a large number of stylistic concessions in order to appeal to international speakers of English, resulting in a MOS that incorporates a variety of styles. Mises.org uses CMS as its style guide, and I think it makes sense to use it here as well, as most of our readers are Americans. Two things affected are:
*Spelling (use American all the time)
*Punctuation in relation to quotation marks (commas and periods should always appear inside quotation marks)
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind. Thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Yes, keeping the readership in mind, that's probably a sensible idea. You'll have to be patient with me though, as I'm used to writing under British conventions. [[User:Sovereign|Sovereign]] 12:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)

[[Category:Mises Wiki|Commons]]

==New project==
It seems we could use a new project for the organization of small things - checking links, wikification of text, creating stubs, etc. Also needs a way to easily vote on the next page of interest. Ideas? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 18:05, 2 December 2010 (CST)
:Sounds reasonable. I'll set it up with some ideas at [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup]]. We'll need to develop more cleanup categories. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:38, 3 December 2010 (CST)
::Looks nice already! Thanks. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

==Most wanted Stub==
Below, let's vote on the most desired stub, that is still missing and really, really should be created, with some good content for a start. Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can create the stub(s) in question, too! Once created, the candidates will be removed from the list. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[Free market]]: +2
* [[World War I]]: +0
* [[New Deal]]: +0
:For what it's worth, I've put this section and the one following at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:54, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Most wanted update is better. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:29, 6 January 2011 (CST) The question is, why should I make a request to create a stub?--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:11, 7 January 2011 (CST)

==Most wanted update==
Which page badly deserves to be extended? Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can update the page, too! Once sufficiently improved, the candidates will be removed from the list (but can be entered again for another round of updates). [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[‎John Maynard Keynes]]: +0
* [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]: +0
* [[Charity]]: +2
* [[Karl Marx]]: +1
* [[Estate tax]]: +0

It's maybe better to mark sections directly which have to be improved. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:27, 7 January 2011 (CST)

== "External links" --> "Links"? ==

Any thoughts on not using WP's convention of calling the links at the end "External links" but instead simply "Links"? My thinking is that in many cases the links are pointing to mises.org pages (such as literature pages, blog posts, etc.) and thus are not strictly "external." Plus, the word is redundant anyway. We could still use "See also" for referring to tangentially related wiki articles. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:I am open to that upon first reflection. I am assuming we would likely continue a "See also" section for other related Mises Wiki article links not mentioned already in the main text. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)
::Right. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:49, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:Actually, that is a good idea! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 11:23, 6 December 2010 (CST)

== Positioning links from Mises Wiki to Wikipedia ==

I have been noticing links to Wikipedia main articles in various locations within the list of links to other resources, articles, etc. Perhaps we might suggest that, if the link to the related main Wikipedia entry is included, we make it the final entry in the list. I am thinking the reader is somewhat more likely to be getting a Classical-Liberal (and similar) point of view in the first links indicated, with the general readership-orientation of Wikipedia best fit for the reader's last choice. If this is already the working style, then perhaps someone might confirm. Thoughts? -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 12:02, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:That seems reasonable. Same for other general resources, I suppose. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:09, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Suggested order of closing sections ==

Is there a working rule of thumb for the order of the closing sections? I just added the '''See also''' section on the [[Great Depression#See also|Great Depression]] page, and it seems out of whack.

I am thinking the order should be:

* See also
* Links
* References

Opinions? Input? And are there further sections we should take into account in this discussion? Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 20:06, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:WP standard is "See also" then "References" then "Links" (see [[wikipedia:WP:FOOTERS]]). I like links to be last because they are least related to the content of the article. References specifically relate to the article itself; links point the reader outside the wiki and thus (IMHO) belong at the end. I'm okay with putting "See also" below or above references; either way makes sense. Other footer section types might be "Works" (i.e., on the page of a person – include a list of books he's written) and "Further reading" (like "Links" but to hard copy books for which links aren't available and which weren't used as references). Regarding those, I say Works first, and Further reading second to last. So:
:*Works
:*References
:*See also
:*Further reading
:*Links
:Or switch 2 and 3. Other ideas? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 22:57, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Article # 400 ==

Don't know if anyone noticed, but our 400th article is on none other than [[Taxation]] !! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:06, 12 December 2010 (CST)
:Yes, great work everyone! I wonder when we can get to 500. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 17:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)
== Guide ==

A guide of articles for newbies to basics of Economics or mises would be great. I don't know where start and it would be great to have that sort of guide/suggestion to start reading some articles. <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:PLj9N|PLj9N]] ([[User talk:PLj9N|talk]]) {{#if:PLj9N|19:22, 12 December 2010}}.</span>
:An excellent idea! As we build the wiki a "reader's guide" of some sort would be quite helpful for others as well, I imagine. Thanks! --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:I second (third?) this. I would also suggest that there be two introductions: one for those completely new to economics (in a similar vein to Murphy's Lessons for the Young Economist), and one that introduces concepts in Austrian economics to those who are familiar with "mainstream" economics. -- [[User:Six|Six]] 23:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:Definitely agreed. The wiki itself is meant to be a backbone for educational efforts. One could start a project with a bunch of pages and steal text left and right, concentrating on simple writing. The underlying pages would supply links to more resources and would contain the more difficult and obscure details.

:Add another wanted on the heap: a category for reading lists. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 09:00, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Logic category ==

With the key basis for Austrian economics being deductive logic, and a lacking of articles on deductive logic, I'd like to suggest that logic in its general form should be part of the scope of this wiki, possibly cultivated within a 'Logic' category. Naturally, we can make this relevant to economics through examples (rather than the traditional All Men are Mortal example). -- [[User:Six|Six]] 08:26, 13 December 2010 (CST)
:Logic is already part of the scope of this wiki, and it is only logical. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:51, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Repeat a link if already in references? ==

A minor issue perhaps, but if a link is already used as a reference, is there a working rule of thumb about whether or not to further include it as a separate and distinct link? The question occurred when looking at this entry: [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]. (At this writing, the Attarian work is mentioned twice.) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)
:Good catch. In general I think there's no need to link in both places. There may be a few exceptions to the rule; perhaps if the link is essential to the subject it might be permissible to put it in both. For example, if we cite the mises.org pdf of ''Conceived in Liberty'' in the [[Conceived in Liberty]] article, we'd still want to link the pdf in the external links section. But in this case references only is probably fine. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:05, 16 December 2010 (CST)

== Creating a new sub-category ==

Tried to create a subcategory of Writings by Author|Chodorov, Frank and I don't seem to be doing it correctly. I supplied the new entry [[Out of Step (book)]] with the sub-category, thinking I'd end up with a red link to create it, but it's not appearing the way I imagined it. Perhaps someone can enlighten? Thanks in advance. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:34, 18 December 2010 (CST)
:You needed to create a new subcategory by adding the full category name to the Chodorov work: [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]]. What you did was simply add the book to [[:Category:Writings by Author]]—the "|Chodorov, Frank" didn't do anything because that is only used for sorting on the category page. In general, my process for creating a new category is to add a nonexistent category to an article, resulting in a red link. Then click the red link to access the about-to-be-created category page. On that page, add the parent category and create. See [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]] to see what I did there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:54, 20 December 2010 (CST)
::Thanks! Will explore more later. :) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:19, 20 December 2010 (CST)

== Mark all copies ==

Please mark all copy text from Wikipedia or elsewhere with

{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"
|-
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or so.

Code:<br>
<nowiki>{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|-</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>| style="background:yellow" | || text</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 10:25, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure that such visible notice is necessary. Copies from Wikipedia need simply to be acknowledged. But really only editors need to know which information was copied. So it would be much better to use html comments (<! -- and -- >, without spaces, see the edit window for an example) to indicate this. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:02, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:: Such ideals don't exist. Editors start in the state to be a reader. Everything that should be rewritten needs comments. The best place is the direct one. See also the edits of Karmaisking after my ones in [[Austrian School]]. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 04:41, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:::Fair enough. To make this easier, you can use a template I just created, [[Template:Rewrite]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:22, 3 January 2011 (CST)

::::Fine --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 03:58, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== USA-centrism ==

I am wondering if we might consider aiming for a more global perspective in our developing articles. This has been occurring to me as I have been tinkering with [[Net neutrality]], a timely issue in the U.S. as of December 2010 but still with application elsewhere.

After all, at this writing we are billed as "A Global Repository". Further, in presenting praxeological truths that remain true regardless of location or era, a global approach--or at least acknowledgement--seems prudent and consistent.

Of course, I also recognize I can simply take this approach on my own whether or not anyone else "approves," and maybe it is mostly my eyes that have been slow to open, while perhaps most are already doing this. I thought I would at least put the idea out on the table for others' consideration.

Any of you non-USA folks care to chime in? Are readers of Mises Wiki as concentrated in the USA as we might think? Please feel free, all. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 15:58, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:Do you have specific suggestions on how to aim for this goal? In general I'd leave this to the discretion of the users, let them work on whatever they are interested in. A certain USA-centricity is probably unavoidable (speaking from Europe here). But if you want to make the thought more popular and maybe even coordinate the efforts, you could make an "International" WikiProject. There are even users thinking about writing in [http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/User_talk:Forgottenman#idioms different languages], so it could house them as well.
:Speaking of statistics, the page with the Meetups is the second most visited page, but the number of international visitors (or visitors in total) would be interesting to know... will try to find out more. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:53, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== What constitutes a minor edit ==

From the [[Help:Wiki FAQ]]:

"...Generally, small formatting changes, adding a link, changing a category, or fixing one or two spelling or grammar mistakes are all considered minor edits. If that describes your edit, check the box. It helps other users keeping an eye on that page that you didn't make a drastic edit.

Larger edits, like those involving actual content, or substantial reorganization of the article, are not minor edits. Don't check the "This is a minor edit" box when you save; otherwise people might think you're trying to mislead them. For this reason, if you think your edit might be controversial, no matter how big it is, don't call it a minor edit."
--[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:25, 5 January 2011 (CST)

Austrian Economics Wiki:Commons

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<div class="messagebox" style="width:100%; padding:.5em;">Welcome to '''The Mises Commons''', the central discussion board where you can make announcements, propose new ideas, and ask questions of the entire community.

<p>To add a new item, add a <code><nowiki>==Level two header==</nowiki></code> to introduce it.</p>

<p>For discussion related to long-term planning and development, also see the [https://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki/topics Mises Wiki Google Group].</p></div>
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==Style guide==
I would like to recommend that we use the ''Chicago Manual of Style'' as a basis for a [[MisesWiki:Manual of Style]] rather than the [[wikipedia:WP:MOS|Wikipedia Manual of Style]]. The WP:MOS makes a large number of stylistic concessions in order to appeal to international speakers of English, resulting in a MOS that incorporates a variety of styles. Mises.org uses CMS as its style guide, and I think it makes sense to use it here as well, as most of our readers are Americans. Two things affected are:
*Spelling (use American all the time)
*Punctuation in relation to quotation marks (commas and periods should always appear inside quotation marks)
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind. Thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Yes, keeping the readership in mind, that's probably a sensible idea. You'll have to be patient with me though, as I'm used to writing under British conventions. [[User:Sovereign|Sovereign]] 12:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)

[[Category:Mises Wiki|Commons]]

==New project==
It seems we could use a new project for the organization of small things - checking links, wikification of text, creating stubs, etc. Also needs a way to easily vote on the next page of interest. Ideas? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 18:05, 2 December 2010 (CST)
:Sounds reasonable. I'll set it up with some ideas at [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup]]. We'll need to develop more cleanup categories. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:38, 3 December 2010 (CST)
::Looks nice already! Thanks. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

==Most wanted Stub==
Below, let's vote on the most desired stub, that is still missing and really, really should be created, with some good content for a start. Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can create the stub(s) in question, too! Once created, the candidates will be removed from the list. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[Free market]]: +2
* [[World War I]]: +0
* [[New Deal]]: +0
:For what it's worth, I've put this section and the one following at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:54, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Most wanted update is better. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:29, 6 January 2011 (CST) The question is, why should I make a request to create a stub?--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 08:11, 7 January 2011 (CST)

==Most wanted update==
Which page badly deserves to be extended? Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can update the page, too! Once sufficiently improved, the candidates will be removed from the list (but can be entered again for another round of updates). [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[‎John Maynard Keynes]]: +0
* [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]: +0
* [[Charity]]: +2
* [[Karl Marx]]: +1
* [[Estate tax]]: +0

== "External links" --> "Links"? ==

Any thoughts on not using WP's convention of calling the links at the end "External links" but instead simply "Links"? My thinking is that in many cases the links are pointing to mises.org pages (such as literature pages, blog posts, etc.) and thus are not strictly "external." Plus, the word is redundant anyway. We could still use "See also" for referring to tangentially related wiki articles. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:I am open to that upon first reflection. I am assuming we would likely continue a "See also" section for other related Mises Wiki article links not mentioned already in the main text. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)
::Right. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:49, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:Actually, that is a good idea! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 11:23, 6 December 2010 (CST)

== Positioning links from Mises Wiki to Wikipedia ==

I have been noticing links to Wikipedia main articles in various locations within the list of links to other resources, articles, etc. Perhaps we might suggest that, if the link to the related main Wikipedia entry is included, we make it the final entry in the list. I am thinking the reader is somewhat more likely to be getting a Classical-Liberal (and similar) point of view in the first links indicated, with the general readership-orientation of Wikipedia best fit for the reader's last choice. If this is already the working style, then perhaps someone might confirm. Thoughts? -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 12:02, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:That seems reasonable. Same for other general resources, I suppose. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:09, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Suggested order of closing sections ==

Is there a working rule of thumb for the order of the closing sections? I just added the '''See also''' section on the [[Great Depression#See also|Great Depression]] page, and it seems out of whack.

I am thinking the order should be:

* See also
* Links
* References

Opinions? Input? And are there further sections we should take into account in this discussion? Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 20:06, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:WP standard is "See also" then "References" then "Links" (see [[wikipedia:WP:FOOTERS]]). I like links to be last because they are least related to the content of the article. References specifically relate to the article itself; links point the reader outside the wiki and thus (IMHO) belong at the end. I'm okay with putting "See also" below or above references; either way makes sense. Other footer section types might be "Works" (i.e., on the page of a person – include a list of books he's written) and "Further reading" (like "Links" but to hard copy books for which links aren't available and which weren't used as references). Regarding those, I say Works first, and Further reading second to last. So:
:*Works
:*References
:*See also
:*Further reading
:*Links
:Or switch 2 and 3. Other ideas? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 22:57, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Article # 400 ==

Don't know if anyone noticed, but our 400th article is on none other than [[Taxation]] !! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:06, 12 December 2010 (CST)
:Yes, great work everyone! I wonder when we can get to 500. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 17:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)
== Guide ==

A guide of articles for newbies to basics of Economics or mises would be great. I don't know where start and it would be great to have that sort of guide/suggestion to start reading some articles. <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:PLj9N|PLj9N]] ([[User talk:PLj9N|talk]]) {{#if:PLj9N|19:22, 12 December 2010}}.</span>
:An excellent idea! As we build the wiki a "reader's guide" of some sort would be quite helpful for others as well, I imagine. Thanks! --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:I second (third?) this. I would also suggest that there be two introductions: one for those completely new to economics (in a similar vein to Murphy's Lessons for the Young Economist), and one that introduces concepts in Austrian economics to those who are familiar with "mainstream" economics. -- [[User:Six|Six]] 23:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:Definitely agreed. The wiki itself is meant to be a backbone for educational efforts. One could start a project with a bunch of pages and steal text left and right, concentrating on simple writing. The underlying pages would supply links to more resources and would contain the more difficult and obscure details.

:Add another wanted on the heap: a category for reading lists. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 09:00, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Logic category ==

With the key basis for Austrian economics being deductive logic, and a lacking of articles on deductive logic, I'd like to suggest that logic in its general form should be part of the scope of this wiki, possibly cultivated within a 'Logic' category. Naturally, we can make this relevant to economics through examples (rather than the traditional All Men are Mortal example). -- [[User:Six|Six]] 08:26, 13 December 2010 (CST)
:Logic is already part of the scope of this wiki, and it is only logical. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:51, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Repeat a link if already in references? ==

A minor issue perhaps, but if a link is already used as a reference, is there a working rule of thumb about whether or not to further include it as a separate and distinct link? The question occurred when looking at this entry: [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]. (At this writing, the Attarian work is mentioned twice.) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)
:Good catch. In general I think there's no need to link in both places. There may be a few exceptions to the rule; perhaps if the link is essential to the subject it might be permissible to put it in both. For example, if we cite the mises.org pdf of ''Conceived in Liberty'' in the [[Conceived in Liberty]] article, we'd still want to link the pdf in the external links section. But in this case references only is probably fine. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:05, 16 December 2010 (CST)

== Creating a new sub-category ==

Tried to create a subcategory of Writings by Author|Chodorov, Frank and I don't seem to be doing it correctly. I supplied the new entry [[Out of Step (book)]] with the sub-category, thinking I'd end up with a red link to create it, but it's not appearing the way I imagined it. Perhaps someone can enlighten? Thanks in advance. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:34, 18 December 2010 (CST)
:You needed to create a new subcategory by adding the full category name to the Chodorov work: [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]]. What you did was simply add the book to [[:Category:Writings by Author]]—the "|Chodorov, Frank" didn't do anything because that is only used for sorting on the category page. In general, my process for creating a new category is to add a nonexistent category to an article, resulting in a red link. Then click the red link to access the about-to-be-created category page. On that page, add the parent category and create. See [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]] to see what I did there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:54, 20 December 2010 (CST)
::Thanks! Will explore more later. :) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:19, 20 December 2010 (CST)

== Mark all copies ==

Please mark all copy text from Wikipedia or elsewhere with

{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"
|-
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or so.

Code:<br>
<nowiki>{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|-</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>| style="background:yellow" | || text</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>|}</nowiki>
--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 10:25, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure that such visible notice is necessary. Copies from Wikipedia need simply to be acknowledged. But really only editors need to know which information was copied. So it would be much better to use html comments (<! -- and -- >, without spaces, see the edit window for an example) to indicate this. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:02, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:: Such ideals don't exist. Editors start in the state to be a reader. Everything that should be rewritten needs comments. The best place is the direct one. See also the edits of Karmaisking after my ones in [[Austrian School]]. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 04:41, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:::Fair enough. To make this easier, you can use a template I just created, [[Template:Rewrite]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:22, 3 January 2011 (CST)

::::Fine --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 03:58, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== USA-centrism ==

I am wondering if we might consider aiming for a more global perspective in our developing articles. This has been occurring to me as I have been tinkering with [[Net neutrality]], a timely issue in the U.S. as of December 2010 but still with application elsewhere.

After all, at this writing we are billed as "A Global Repository". Further, in presenting praxeological truths that remain true regardless of location or era, a global approach--or at least acknowledgement--seems prudent and consistent.

Of course, I also recognize I can simply take this approach on my own whether or not anyone else "approves," and maybe it is mostly my eyes that have been slow to open, while perhaps most are already doing this. I thought I would at least put the idea out on the table for others' consideration.

Any of you non-USA folks care to chime in? Are readers of Mises Wiki as concentrated in the USA as we might think? Please feel free, all. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 15:58, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:Do you have specific suggestions on how to aim for this goal? In general I'd leave this to the discretion of the users, let them work on whatever they are interested in. A certain USA-centricity is probably unavoidable (speaking from Europe here). But if you want to make the thought more popular and maybe even coordinate the efforts, you could make an "International" WikiProject. There are even users thinking about writing in [http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/User_talk:Forgottenman#idioms different languages], so it could house them as well.
:Speaking of statistics, the page with the Meetups is the second most visited page, but the number of international visitors (or visitors in total) would be interesting to know... will try to find out more. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:53, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== What constitutes a minor edit ==

From the [[Help:Wiki FAQ]]:

"...Generally, small formatting changes, adding a link, changing a category, or fixing one or two spelling or grammar mistakes are all considered minor edits. If that describes your edit, check the box. It helps other users keeping an eye on that page that you didn't make a drastic edit.

Larger edits, like those involving actual content, or substantial reorganization of the article, are not minor edits. Don't check the "This is a minor edit" box when you save; otherwise people might think you're trying to mislead them. For this reason, if you think your edit might be controversial, no matter how big it is, don't call it a minor edit."
--[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:25, 5 January 2011 (CST)

Talk:Main Page

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<div class="messagebox" style="text-align:center;">This page is for discussion related to the [[Main Page]]. For general project-related discussion, use the [[MisesWiki:Commons|MisesWiki Commons]].</div>

==Ideas for Main Page organization==
The Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page main page] incorporates several features:

# Did You Know?: spotlights new articles or substantial revisions and incentivizes users to do substantial new work rather than just little tweaks here and there
# Today's Featured Article: showcases articles that have reached the highest quality level, according to the FA criteria developed by folks working on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles that project]
# In The News: provides short "breaking news" blurbs which link to relevant content
# On This Day: lists historical facts from this day in history and links to relevant content

We could develop a feature like #1 pretty easily, especially since everything is new right now.

Number 2 is something that I would like for us to have once we have adequate content to support it, but I don't think we are quite there yet.

On Wikipedia, the "In The News" feature is easy to run because almost any news subject is likely to be linkable to multiple pre-existing articles. We might create something like #3 as a way to draw attention to Austrians who are in the news or who have provided commentary on events covered in the news, and our equivalent of the "In The News" feature could be linked from "Current Events" in the nav box on page left.

I think #4 is out for right now, too, although we could eventually note birthdays of famous Austrians and other relevant historical tidbits once we develop a little more content.

The "Community Portal" link on the left could lead to a page much like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal the one on Wikipedia], with a running "to-do" list of articles that need to be created or substantially revised, links to projects (as they develop), and any notices about community-wide news.

Thoughts?
[[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 09:48, 6 November 2010 (CDT)

----

These all seem great to me but of course I have my usual concern about daily updates to the front page now. I find myself suddenly anxious to develop some intellectual eye candy up front along with links to how to write for wikipedia, if only because something tells me that we are the verge of a more public discovery. It would be good to have the curb appeal right up front.

I might suggest that we leave a featured piece up on [[Austrian economics]], right up there with some colored background or something.

--[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:26, 6 November 2010 (CDT)

:: I have the next couple of days off, so I'll try to see what I can do to get [[Austrian economics]] up to snuff. By the way, should it be "Austrian economics" or "Austrian school"? Regarding this main page, I don't think "on this day" would be too difficult to set up early. We'd have to gather up relevant birthdays and events (such as the first Mont Pelerin Society meeting, that meeting in 1974 setting the beginning of the Austrian revival, et cetera). It will take some time, though. Maybe a more permanent template, for now, would do the trick—"during this week". We could do a featured picture widget, but instead of featured pictures maybe just rotating images of different Austrian economists and other relative individuals. At first, some of the stuff will prob. have to be "semi-permanent", in the sense that most stuff probably won't be updated every day. '''[[User:Catalan|JonCatalán]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Catalan|(Talk)]]</sup> 21:01, 7 November 2010 (CST)

:::Younger, less developed Wikimedia sites (such as [http://en.wikisource.org Wikisource]), have different items on the main page. A featured work of the month, a list of new articles (that anyone can add to), and current collaborations, for example. It may make more sense to pursue some of these less-intensive solutions instead of/in addition to the ones Wikipedia uses.
:::To start we can at least do "new texts" (probably instead of "Did You Know?") and once we've developed a particular article more fully, make that the month's featured article (maybe for December?). I like the idea of having an "During this week" box that starts off as weekly and eventually can be changed to "On this day". --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] 08:10, 8 November 2010 (CST)

==New design==
Work on a new Main Page design is ongoing at [[Main Page/new]]. For this initial design I kept many of Wikipedia's design features (but with a different header), and developed similar content. Feel free to make changes or suggestions. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:55, 8 November 2010 (CST)
: I implemented this. For whatever reason, the favicon is gone --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 09:06, 9 November 2010 (CST)

: For "on this week", should we link to years and such? I was going to suggest linking with wp:en, but then that wouldn't make sense because you'd direct the user off the site without that page actually being relevant. It makes sense to wikilink to the day, because we could fill in the days with important events and such (that can be used to update "on this week"), but what about the years? '''[[User:Catalan|JonCatalán]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Catalan|(Talk)]]</sup> 09:53, 9 November 2010 (CST)
::Mises Wiki year pages I think would be fine--they could be like WP year pages, containing the major events of the year, but with an austro-libertarian focus. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:48, 9 November 2010 (CST)

==Media Tutorial==

I've going to link this from the opening text [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBahdIAzFo] --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:30, 11 November 2010 (CST)

== A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought ==

Why "A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought"?

I am no minarchist! Is this a minarchist wiki?! --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.200.246|84.60.200.246]] 09:48, 27 December 2010 (CST)
:This could indeed be a very rich discussion. Maybe there is room for a page or article on the "variants" of classical liberal thought. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 16:12, 27 December 2010 (CST)
:It's not exclusively minarchist. I define "classical liberal" broadly, encompassing the thought of Spooner and Rothbard as well as J. S. Mill and Hayek. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:16, 27 December 2010 (CST)
I don't understand that. When it is "A Global Repository of Classical-Liberal Thought", why do you have sites like [[Kazakhstan]] and [[Harry S. Truman]]? Or should it be an encyclopedia in the Classical-Liberal Thought? Or is it rather "a wiki project dedicated to the advancement of the Austrian School of Economics and related thought", or do you think it is the same. If the latter is the case, what is to say about [[praxeology]] or [[argumentation ethics]] as "Classical-Liberal Thought"? --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 08:42, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:Thinkers in the tradition of classical liberalism can and will have perspectives on Kazakhstan and Harry S. Truman; this wiki is meant to capture those perspectives and contrast them with "mainstream," anti-liberty views. On the other hand, praxeology is a field developed by the intellectual children of classical liberalism, thus information about it obviously belongs here. Again: define classical liberalism broadly, encompassing the thought of Jefferson, J. S. Mill, Hayek, and Mises, as well as Spooner, Rothbard, and Block. The thoughts of all these people, and people like them, on any subject, is the scope of this wiki. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:00, 28 December 2010 (CST)
::"Harry S. Truman (May 8, 1884 – December 26, 1972) was the 33rd President of the United States (1945–1953)." What is the contrast with "mainstream," anti-liberty views, please? Or, you mean an encyclopedia ''in the view'' of Classical-Liberal Thought. But then a minarchist is also one who may offer his totalitarian doctrine on every issue, for example that of reasoning Jefferson's wars. Obviously, you believe that the descriptions are of the same meaning. But that is nonsense. Hans Hoppe, e.g., is not correctly to describe as thinker of the classical liberalism perspective. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 10:12, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::Note that above I said "perspective<u>s</u> on Kazakhstan and Harry S. Truman." That is, different thinkers within the classical liberal tradition (from Milton Friedman to Hans Hoppe) will have different perspectives (obviously), and this is the place to record all of them, comparing and contrasting them.
:::As for [[Harry S. Truman]], it's a work in progress: eventually, the article could challenge a number of mainstream views related to Truman's presidency. The article currently links to [[President of the United States]]: that article could be expanded to discuss how the position came into being (as part of the [[United States Constitution]]). The Constitution's article could describe the thinking of the founders, compare it against the [[Articles of Confederation]] and other systems of government and non-government (monarchy, democracy, state of nature, etc.). The goal is to use an encyclopedia format to challenge statist assumptions and lead people to libertarian and anarchist thought.
:::Like Wikipedia, the goal is not to write "truth" (because minarchists and anarchists disagree on what the "truth" may be), but to quote prominent thinkers and describe significant ideas. Unlike Wikipedia, our encyclopedia is biased in favor of liberty and in opposition to the state and its evils. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:03, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::: You may say that Hoppe thinks in the result of classical liberal tradition but this would only be an awkward historical view of yesterday by someone who want to reboot the old American society. You claim also to use a full encyclopedia format which could contrast, or may contrast later, or never. But the result would be a new Wikipedia with 90 % copy code. For the goal to contrast, it is enough to give for every concept some useful urls of mises.org and other a-political think thanks and to abstract the differences to the mainstream views. This would be more useful and more reachable than to create an article for every small Hitler and every small region. However, my aim was only to find a well description of the project and I cant see that you have thought twice about it. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 12:09, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::::Re Hoppe as the intellectual child of classical liberalism: I suppose reasonable people can disagree. Nonetheless, if there is any inaccuracy, it is in the term: his thought is certainly included in the scope of this wiki. Re Wikipedia vs. Mises Wiki, it is my goal that this wiki not rely on Wikipedia. Some articles do, but others, like [[American Civil War]] and [[President of the United States]], do not. Re encyclopedia vs. collection of links: Wikipedia has had astonishing success ''because'' it is written in encyclopedia format and ''is not'' a mere collection of related links. Re "I cant see that you have think twice about it," there's no need to be unfriendly. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:58, 28 December 2010 (CST)
::::: Wikipedia should be an encyclopedia but a "global repository" must not be one. We should clear this point on [[MisesWiki:Commons]]. Okay, inaccuracy in the term. Hence, why not "repository of a-political thought." Thus, one must not assume to visit a Minarchist wiki. --[[Special:Contributions/84.60.209.200|84.60.209.200]] 14:52, 28 December 2010 (CST)
:::::: We are open to anything but I like repository partially because it lacks a strict definition. We don't want an encyclopedia only and we don't want just opinion pieces. We want it to be a guide to learning and studying; an archive of important and useful information; a documented assembly of important facts and figures and narratives; a valuable resource for discovery what is going on and what people think; most importantly, we don't want the scope limited. So repository seems to work here. As for classical liberal, anarcho-capitalism is certainly part of the liberal tradition if one thinks of it in a sweeping way, backwards in time and forwards in time. In this sense Seneca and Aristotle are part of the liberal tradition. I would be happy with liberal but of course that confuses people and hence the classical part, but that introduces the confusion that we are talking about 18th and 19th century thought of a particular kind (minarchism). Libertarian is good but that tends to conjure up political associations and not research or intellectual ones. Classical liberalism seems broader. Another possibility is "liberty-minded thought" but that has its own problems (certainly every conservative organization claims to favor liberty). Anyway, I just throw all that out there. Maybe something is better than classically liberal as a descriptor but I can't think of it.--[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:56, 5 January 2011 (CST)

You haven't mentioned my proposal of "politically unaffected and independent."

There is a piece in the [[Mises Institute]] article that underlines this. It "does not seek to implement public policy. It has no formal affiliation with any political party (including the Libertarian Party), nor does it receive funding from any." and "Its declared mission is to back research and writing in defense of Austrian economics, the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations, while opposing government intervention as economically and socially destructive."

This is short and clear enough. It is important that it remains clear, and that all editors know what the Mises Institute expects of the wiki in order that editors are able to fulfill the wishes. Thus, I don't understand that you can't think of a better descriptor. It is already on hand.

Other pure verbal efforts in [[MisesWiki:About]] and [[MisesWiki:Five Pillars]] are diluting the clear guest above, too. I don't know, how is responsible.

Even if it slightly is another lot, it demonstrates the effects of a misleaded understanding. E.g.:"it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality." I would say it is partial nonsense implemented from a Wikipedia view. Neutrality is not a very clear term but it is impossible (in my opinion) to contrast different classical liberal and related thought without any kind of neutrality.

And the encyclopedia/repository controversy is also fortified here. "Mises Wiki is an online encyclopedia".

Or, "Even with this policy of bias toward the Austrian School, the personal experiences, interpretations, and opinions of editors do not belong here." What's then about completely unreviewed books by Stefan Molyneux like [[Universally Preferable Behaviour]]?

And btw., "Mises Wiki users should interact in a respectful and civil manner." This pillar is completely superfluous because it is nearly the same to say, you should insult nobody. That is a rule which has no praxeological stance in the Austrian view.
--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 05:50, 6 January 2011 (CST)

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I think the site is completely superfluous, and the content is anyway disputable. Remove? --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 14:16, 6 January 2011 (CST)

Austrian Economics Wiki:Commons

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<div class="messagebox" style="width:100%; padding:.5em;">Welcome to '''The Mises Commons''', the central discussion board where you can make announcements, propose new ideas, and ask questions of the entire community.

<p>To add a new item, add a <code><nowiki>==Level two header==</nowiki></code> to introduce it.</p>

<p>For discussion related to long-term planning and development, also see the [https://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki/topics Mises Wiki Google Group].</p></div>
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==Style guide==
I would like to recommend that we use the ''Chicago Manual of Style'' as a basis for a [[MisesWiki:Manual of Style]] rather than the [[wikipedia:WP:MOS|Wikipedia Manual of Style]]. The WP:MOS makes a large number of stylistic concessions in order to appeal to international speakers of English, resulting in a MOS that incorporates a variety of styles. Mises.org uses CMS as its style guide, and I think it makes sense to use it here as well, as most of our readers are Americans. Two things affected are:
*Spelling (use American all the time)
*Punctuation in relation to quotation marks (commas and periods should always appear inside quotation marks)
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind. Thoughts? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Yes, keeping the readership in mind, that's probably a sensible idea. You'll have to be patient with me though, as I'm used to writing under British conventions. [[User:Sovereign|Sovereign]] 12:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)

[[Category:Mises Wiki|Commons]]

==New project==
It seems we could use a new project for the organization of small things - checking links, wikification of text, creating stubs, etc. Also needs a way to easily vote on the next page of interest. Ideas? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 18:05, 2 December 2010 (CST)
:Sounds reasonable. I'll set it up with some ideas at [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup]]. We'll need to develop more cleanup categories. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:38, 3 December 2010 (CST)
::Looks nice already! Thanks. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

==Most wanted Stub==
Below, let's vote on the most desired stub, that is still missing and really, really should be created, with some good content for a start. Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can create the stub(s) in question, too! Once created, the candidates will be removed from the list. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[Free market]]: +2
* [[World War I]]: +0
* [[New Deal]]: +0
:For what it's worth, I've put this section and the one following at [[MisesWiki:Most wanted]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:54, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Most wanted update is better. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:29, 6 January 2011 (CST)

==Most wanted update==
Which page badly deserves to be extended? Please edit this list: anyone can add more candidates to it, and vote for any number of them - but only once on each. Of course, anyone can update the page, too! Once sufficiently improved, the candidates will be removed from the list (but can be entered again for another round of updates). [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 15:03, 3 December 2010 (CST)

* [[‎John Maynard Keynes]]: +0
* [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]: +0
* [[Charity]]: +2
* [[Karl Marx]]: +1
* [[Estate tax]]: +0

== "External links" --> "Links"? ==

Any thoughts on not using WP's convention of calling the links at the end "External links" but instead simply "Links"? My thinking is that in many cases the links are pointing to mises.org pages (such as literature pages, blog posts, etc.) and thus are not strictly "external." Plus, the word is redundant anyway. We could still use "See also" for referring to tangentially related wiki articles. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:I am open to that upon first reflection. I am assuming we would likely continue a "See also" section for other related Mises Wiki article links not mentioned already in the main text. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)
::Right. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:49, 6 December 2010 (CST)
:Actually, that is a good idea! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 11:23, 6 December 2010 (CST)

== Positioning links from Mises Wiki to Wikipedia ==

I have been noticing links to Wikipedia main articles in various locations within the list of links to other resources, articles, etc. Perhaps we might suggest that, if the link to the related main Wikipedia entry is included, we make it the final entry in the list. I am thinking the reader is somewhat more likely to be getting a Classical-Liberal (and similar) point of view in the first links indicated, with the general readership-orientation of Wikipedia best fit for the reader's last choice. If this is already the working style, then perhaps someone might confirm. Thoughts? -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 12:02, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:That seems reasonable. Same for other general resources, I suppose. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:09, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Suggested order of closing sections ==

Is there a working rule of thumb for the order of the closing sections? I just added the '''See also''' section on the [[Great Depression#See also|Great Depression]] page, and it seems out of whack.

I am thinking the order should be:

* See also
* Links
* References

Opinions? Input? And are there further sections we should take into account in this discussion? Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 20:06, 9 December 2010 (CST)
:WP standard is "See also" then "References" then "Links" (see [[wikipedia:WP:FOOTERS]]). I like links to be last because they are least related to the content of the article. References specifically relate to the article itself; links point the reader outside the wiki and thus (IMHO) belong at the end. I'm okay with putting "See also" below or above references; either way makes sense. Other footer section types might be "Works" (i.e., on the page of a person – include a list of books he's written) and "Further reading" (like "Links" but to hard copy books for which links aren't available and which weren't used as references). Regarding those, I say Works first, and Further reading second to last. So:
:*Works
:*References
:*See also
:*Further reading
:*Links
:Or switch 2 and 3. Other ideas? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 22:57, 9 December 2010 (CST)

== Article # 400 ==

Don't know if anyone noticed, but our 400th article is on none other than [[Taxation]] !! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:06, 12 December 2010 (CST)
:Yes, great work everyone! I wonder when we can get to 500. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 17:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)
== Guide ==

A guide of articles for newbies to basics of Economics or mises would be great. I don't know where start and it would be great to have that sort of guide/suggestion to start reading some articles. <span style="font-size:smaller;">—''unsigned comment by'' [[User:PLj9N|PLj9N]] ([[User talk:PLj9N|talk]]) {{#if:PLj9N|19:22, 12 December 2010}}.</span>
:An excellent idea! As we build the wiki a "reader's guide" of some sort would be quite helpful for others as well, I imagine. Thanks! --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:I second (third?) this. I would also suggest that there be two introductions: one for those completely new to economics (in a similar vein to Murphy's Lessons for the Young Economist), and one that introduces concepts in Austrian economics to those who are familiar with "mainstream" economics. -- [[User:Six|Six]] 23:59, 12 December 2010 (CST)

:Definitely agreed. The wiki itself is meant to be a backbone for educational efforts. One could start a project with a bunch of pages and steal text left and right, concentrating on simple writing. The underlying pages would supply links to more resources and would contain the more difficult and obscure details.

:Add another wanted on the heap: a category for reading lists. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 09:00, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Logic category ==

With the key basis for Austrian economics being deductive logic, and a lacking of articles on deductive logic, I'd like to suggest that logic in its general form should be part of the scope of this wiki, possibly cultivated within a 'Logic' category. Naturally, we can make this relevant to economics through examples (rather than the traditional All Men are Mortal example). -- [[User:Six|Six]] 08:26, 13 December 2010 (CST)
:Logic is already part of the scope of this wiki, and it is only logical. :) [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:51, 13 December 2010 (CST)

== Repeat a link if already in references? ==

A minor issue perhaps, but if a link is already used as a reference, is there a working rule of thumb about whether or not to further include it as a separate and distinct link? The question occurred when looking at this entry: [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]. (At this writing, the Attarian work is mentioned twice.) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:08, 15 December 2010 (CST)
:Good catch. In general I think there's no need to link in both places. There may be a few exceptions to the rule; perhaps if the link is essential to the subject it might be permissible to put it in both. For example, if we cite the mises.org pdf of ''Conceived in Liberty'' in the [[Conceived in Liberty]] article, we'd still want to link the pdf in the external links section. But in this case references only is probably fine. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:05, 16 December 2010 (CST)

== Creating a new sub-category ==

Tried to create a subcategory of Writings by Author|Chodorov, Frank and I don't seem to be doing it correctly. I supplied the new entry [[Out of Step (book)]] with the sub-category, thinking I'd end up with a red link to create it, but it's not appearing the way I imagined it. Perhaps someone can enlighten? Thanks in advance. --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 13:34, 18 December 2010 (CST)
:You needed to create a new subcategory by adding the full category name to the Chodorov work: [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]]. What you did was simply add the book to [[:Category:Writings by Author]]—the "|Chodorov, Frank" didn't do anything because that is only used for sorting on the category page. In general, my process for creating a new category is to add a nonexistent category to an article, resulting in a red link. Then click the red link to access the about-to-be-created category page. On that page, add the parent category and create. See [[:Category:Writings by Frank Chodorov]] to see what I did there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 10:54, 20 December 2010 (CST)
::Thanks! Will explore more later. :) --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:19, 20 December 2010 (CST)

== Mark all copies ==

Please mark all copy text from Wikipedia or elsewhere with

{| style="background-color:#ffffe0;" cellpadding="10"
|-
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or so.

Code:<br>
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--[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 10:25, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure that such visible notice is necessary. Copies from Wikipedia need simply to be acknowledged. But really only editors need to know which information was copied. So it would be much better to use html comments (<! -- and -- >, without spaces, see the edit window for an example) to indicate this. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:02, 1 January 2011 (CST)
:: Such ideals don't exist. Editors start in the state to be a reader. Everything that should be rewritten needs comments. The best place is the direct one. See also the edits of Karmaisking after my ones in [[Austrian School]]. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 04:41, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:::Fair enough. To make this easier, you can use a template I just created, [[Template:Rewrite]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:22, 3 January 2011 (CST)

::::Fine --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 03:58, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== USA-centrism ==

I am wondering if we might consider aiming for a more global perspective in our developing articles. This has been occurring to me as I have been tinkering with [[Net neutrality]], a timely issue in the U.S. as of December 2010 but still with application elsewhere.

After all, at this writing we are billed as "A Global Repository". Further, in presenting praxeological truths that remain true regardless of location or era, a global approach--or at least acknowledgement--seems prudent and consistent.

Of course, I also recognize I can simply take this approach on my own whether or not anyone else "approves," and maybe it is mostly my eyes that have been slow to open, while perhaps most are already doing this. I thought I would at least put the idea out on the table for others' consideration.

Any of you non-USA folks care to chime in? Are readers of Mises Wiki as concentrated in the USA as we might think? Please feel free, all. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 15:58, 2 January 2011 (CST)
:Do you have specific suggestions on how to aim for this goal? In general I'd leave this to the discretion of the users, let them work on whatever they are interested in. A certain USA-centricity is probably unavoidable (speaking from Europe here). But if you want to make the thought more popular and maybe even coordinate the efforts, you could make an "International" WikiProject. There are even users thinking about writing in [http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/User_talk:Forgottenman#idioms different languages], so it could house them as well.
:Speaking of statistics, the page with the Meetups is the second most visited page, but the number of international visitors (or visitors in total) would be interesting to know... will try to find out more. [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:53, 4 January 2011 (CST)

== What constitutes a minor edit ==

From the [[Help:Wiki FAQ]]:

"...Generally, small formatting changes, adding a link, changing a category, or fixing one or two spelling or grammar mistakes are all considered minor edits. If that describes your edit, check the box. It helps other users keeping an eye on that page that you didn't make a drastic edit.

Larger edits, like those involving actual content, or substantial reorganization of the article, are not minor edits. Don't check the "This is a minor edit" box when you save; otherwise people might think you're trying to mislead them. For this reason, if you think your edit might be controversial, no matter how big it is, don't call it a minor edit."
--[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:25, 5 January 2011 (CST)

Austrian Economics Wiki:Most wanted

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This is a list of the '''most wanted''' stubs and article improvements. Feel free to add to the list, and add your name in support of existing ones.

==Most wanted stubs==
:''Once created, remove from this list''
* [[Free market]]
**Pestergaines
**RayBirks
* [[World War I]]
**Pestergaines
* [[New Deal]]
**Pestergaines

==Most wanted article improvements==
:''Once a substantial improvement is made, remove from this list''
* [[‎John Maynard Keynes]]
**Pestergaines
* [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]]
**Pestergaines
* [[Charity]]
**Pestergaines
**76.75.44.199
* [[Karl Marx]]
**Pestergaines
* [[Estate tax]]
**RayBirks

[[Category:WikiProjects|Most wanted]]

==Article Rating==

===readable===

[[Austrian School]]
* pro --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 13:27, 6 January 2011 (CST)

===excellent===

User talk:Forgottenman

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<div style="text-align:center; font-size:larger;">'''This is my talk page'''. Click the "New section" tab ("+") above to start a new topic, or simply <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.mises.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Forgottenman&action=edit&section=new click here]</span>. <br />Sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> when you're finished, and click "Save page." Thanks!</div>

== Extensions and interwiki links ==

A few questions:
# What Wikimedia extensions are installed here?
# What types of interwiki links are available for external wiki-linking? [[User:Mcornelius|Mcornelius]] 03:59, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:The extensions we have right now can be seen at [[Special:Version]]: we have categorytree, charinsert, parserfunctions, and cite. If we need more, however, we can ask our developers to install them.
:As far as interwiki links go, it looks like we can use the full names of Wikimedia wikis, but not shortcuts. So, [[wikipedia:Ludwig von Mises]] or [[wiktionary:praxeology]]. For Wikisource, we have to specify the language: [[wikisource:en:The Law]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 06:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)

==Rights==
Seems like your rights issue is solved --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 12:16, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:What do you mean? --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (CST)
::I thought your permissions were somehow limited but I see that they are not --[[User:Jatucker|Jatucker]] 16:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)
:::No, you gave me "bureaucrat" status, which is pretty much the highest available without being a developer. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 18:57, 12 November 2010 (CST)

== Missing Templates ==

Impressive work on all the background mechanisms, Forgottenman! May I request a few more templates for citing resources, that seem to be necessary for the many articles and parts imported from Wikipedia (e.g. [[Austrian School|here]])? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 08:25, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll have a look; they would be useful. Hopefully though their existence doesn't encourage more copy / pastes from Wikipedia... we have the opportunity to create articles that have much more detail and a less restrictive license, but if we start with WP text, our article is a derivative work of WP forever. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 08:42, 16 November 2010 (CST)
::Well, we can always start from scratch if needed. :)
::Oh, and: big thanks for help with the BookSources! It's a small detail, but very useful when needed! [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 14:41, 16 November 2010 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that starting from scratch may be a good idea. I'm not convinced that converting everything into metadata is really that useful. I'll start by adapting Wikiqoute's model of cite journal and we can go from there. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 14:54, 16 November 2010 (CST)

[http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Full_reserve_banking#cite_note-5 Full reserve banking] has also some template error, as in [[Criticism of fractional reserve banking|this]]; and a video template is required [[Peter Schiff|here]]. That is hopefully all!

On a different topic - do you think it would make sense to start organizing projects in this wiki, or is that premature? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 06:15, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:I'll try to take a look at those templates later today. Are you talking about Wikiprojects? Setting them up is probably best done by someone interested in the subject and not for its own sake – so I wouldn't suggest creating a wide variety of projects, but if there's a particular subject or type of article that interests you, go for it. Active projects can be great ways for people to get involved; abandoned projects make the place look like a big empty building. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 17 November 2010 (CST)
::I've created the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History]], although the name seems a little unwieldy. Before I start creating more pages, do you think the name and (category) is appropriate, or could we shorten WikiProject to Project? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:51, 20 November 2010 (CST)
:::Sounds fine to me. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:32, 22 November 2010 (CST)

Would it be possible to get some CSS added to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] to fix the formatting on [[Template:Header]]? I would do it myself but I don't have the required permissions. [[User:Anarchei|Anarchei]] 01:43, 29 November 2010 (CST)

==Innovation and original work.==
I've already logged in and made a very small edit to the mises wiki: pollution. I'm trained in sustainable development and pollution related problems and solutions. All I've done is add the word '''soil''' pollution to the list. Its often overlooked but it is useful because it illustrates the property rights, disclosure aspect, knowledge issues and the issue of people going to the hazard.

My question is not about pollution, its about charity and new tools like [http://www.thepoint.com/ The Point], hopefully you know of that because of Bob Murphy's challenge to Krugman.
Both need to be covered but in many cases the ideas of using charitable solutions are very new, particularly using the pledge based strategy in the Point, would they be considered original work?
Charity is critical because we often argue that charity can pick up some key externalities or public goods; particularly welfare. However charities are very restricted, often because they compete with government as a solution, [ Marx saw them as the major threat to socialism and Lenin wiped out church based charities in the first months ]. They have cash flow problems often because they are "not for profit" and this restricts their investment and banking options and because of donor fatigue and recipient privacy constraints. There's much stuff on this in the writings but its blurred a bit by Ayn Rand's opposition to religion and charity. [Yes I know she's not an Austrian school but most don't know that.] How do we deal with the newest solutions.
I've done some work in this field: [http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2010/07/saving-world-by-burying-greens.html Saving the world by burying greens.]
The catch is that in a wiki sense this is classic ''"original work"'' but there are so few of us this could become a largish problem. What's plan A when your the only Austrian school player writing in a given field?
[[User:Wesleybruce|Wesleybruce]] 00:07, 17 November 2010 (CST)

:There are writings around on pretty much any topic, but sometimes one needs to pick and choose a little. A Stub for [[Charity]] was created with a few links that could be of use - perhaps that could help out? [[User:Pestergaines|Pestergaines]] 05:39, 17 November 2010 (CST)
:Regarding "original work," I wouldn't worry about it too much. I doubt that we are going to be as hardheaded about that as Wikipedia is in articles on "new" subjects. The preferred approach might be to build articles based on current work, with references, and then branch off based on that. Thus, Hayek said xyz about charity (he didn't think it had much hope of solving the problem), but his paradigm didn't include new charity options. Or Walter Block and Murry Rothbard say xyz about pollution, but other areas that haven't been looked into are ___.
:You might also get in touch with Stephan Kinsella; he runs Libertarian Papers and if you put something together he might be inclined to have it reviewed and published, especially in a new area like this. That way we'd end up with a published, reliable article to cite. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 07:10, 17 November 2010 (CST)

==Mises Bust for Meritorious Editing==
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:That put a smile on my face. Just awesome; thanks. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 13:20, 19 November 2010 (CST)

== The 'Anniversaries' project ==

Hey, Forgot, a question: With all the unfinished anniversary pages, might you be able to create a little "Project Page" (like the "Economic History" project) that gives us a few guidelines about what to put where? I was wondering because the anniversary dates show up as top-ranked in the [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages]] list and it might be helpful for us folks to know how to add things. Thanks in advance! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 14:32, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:I've added instructions to [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries]]. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 16:04, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::Yes, noticed almost right away. Thanks! -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST) Wondering now about:

==The concept of "Projects"==
Our only official "project" to date is the [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history project]]. Do these four pages qualify as "projects" worthy of the category "WikiProjects" ?

:* [[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Current events|Current events]]
:* [[MisesWiki:Community portal|Community portal]]

They all have "project page" as their first tab, yet I don't see any code inside the Economic History project page that makes it unique to be a special project. Seems these four may also be special cases needing focus, building, expansion, explanations, etc. Am not pushing hard for these necessarily. I am just looking to see if these deserve the designation. Thanks for your thoughts as time permits. Maybe we can discuss this in our soon-to-be-developed forum! :) If this is too much for your talk page, I could move to the Google mailing list, if you like. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 18:16, 27 November 2010 (CST)
:On Wikipedia at least the Wikiprojects are primarily for content creation or specific maintenance tasks. My preference would be to continue in that tradition; the other pages you mention seem different from that. "Anniversaries" would be closest, I think, to being an actual Wikiproject, but the thing is that it really isn't a project that will need a lot of maintenance once it is set up (though that will take at least several months). I'd say put it on the Community portal to draw attention to it, but I wouldn't call it a wikiproject. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 19:55, 27 November 2010 (CST)
::'k. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 21:03, 27 November 2010 (CST)

== Placement of stub tags ==

The stubs category page had suggested including the tag at either the beginning or the end of the article. As I see you moving them to the end of various pages, shall we change the instruction as well? Thanks for all your good works. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 11:09, 29 November 2010 (CST)
:Thanks, I didn't realize it said that. If anyone disagrees with my edit comment in my edit to [[:Category:Article stubs|that page]], I'm happy to discuss it. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 11:19, 29 November 2010 (CST)

== idioms ==

Hello
Can i write in spanish my contributions, changes and wikis?

thanks. {{unsigned|09:15, 3 January 2011|Arenas}}
:Hola Arenas: Es posible que vaya a ser un Mises Wiki en español en el futuro, si hay interés. Pero en este momento hay solamente un Mises Wiki en inglés. Si quieres contribuir, sugiero que agregues contribuciones en español en las páginas de "Talk," y yo puedo traducirlas y añadir el texto al artículo. Por ejémplo, si quieres crear un artículo llamado [[Vicente Fox]], añadir tu contribución en [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] y avísame. Dime si tienes otras preguntas; ayudarte es un placer.
:Hi Arenas: It's possible that in the future there will be a Mises Wiki in Spanish, if there's enough interest. But for now there is only a Mises Wiki in English. If you would like to contribute, I suggest that you add Spanish text to Talk pages, and I can translate them and add the text to the article. For example, if you want to create an article called [[Vicente Fox]], add your text to [[Talk:Vicente Fox]] and let me know. If you have other questions let me know; I'm glad to help. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 09:40, 3 January 2011 (CST)

== Don't remove ==

See http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/MisesWiki:Commons#Most_wanted_Stub. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:26, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:Ah, if that's what you're referring to then let's create a page and link to it. Putting a red link on a page that meant to guide new folks is counterintuitive. --[[User:Forgottenman|Forgottenman]] ([[User talk:Forgottenman|talk]]) 12:35, 6 January 2011 (CST)
:: Is only an open idea. When you think, it's practicable, then create it, please. --[[User:Reserved|Reserved]] 12:38, 6 January 2011 (CST)

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Austrian Economics Wiki:Community portal

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Welcome to Mises Wiki's '''Community portal'''! This is a general listing of easy things you can do to get involved in this project.

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===Create and improve articles===
* [[:Category:Article stubs|Stubs]]: These are articles that someone has marked with <code><nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki></code>, indicating that they need to be expanded and/or improved.
* [[Special:NewPages|Newest articles]]: These brand new articles may need to be reviewed.
* [[Special:ShortPages|Shortest articles]]: Prime candidates for expansion!
* Improve [[:Category:Mises Wiki articles incorporating text from Wikipedia|articles]] incorporating text from Wikipedia.
* [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages by missing links]]: This list shows which nonexistent articles have the most links pointing to them.
* [[MisesWiki:International|How to create articles in other languages]]: For those interested in creating articles in other languages besides English.
* [[Special:RecentChanges|Most recent changes]]: This is the caretaker link in the sidebar.
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===WikiProjects===
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history]]: An overview of the economic history project here on the Mises Wiki plus some identified economic history items that could use your assistance.
* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]: We need entries for the "[[Template:This week in history|This week in history]]" section of the main page. Find out how to add them here!
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup|Cleanup]]: Interested in helping clean up the wiki? Here are a few examples of ways to help:
** Put [[Special:UncategorizedPages|uncategorized pages]] in categories (see the [[Special:CategoryTree|category tree]] for ideas).
** Add wiki links to [[Special:DeadendPages|dead-end pages]], that is, articles that don't have any links on them.
** [[MisesWiki:Article rating|Article rating]]: vote about wanted improvements and assess the quality to feature readable articles.
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===Help for beginners===
*Ask any general questions you have at the [[MisesWiki:Commons|Mises Commons]].
*Questions specific to a particular article can be raised on the particular article's talk page: click the "discussion" tab at the top.
*To do a test edit, use the [[MisesWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
*For general help, see [[Help:Contents|help pages]], especially how to [[Help:Getting started|get started]].
*There's also a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUI9Ure8JCE video tutorial] on Youtube.
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===Community===
*Join in the Mises Wiki discussion at either of two places:
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Austrian Economics Wiki:Community portal

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__NOTOC__
Welcome to Mises Wiki's '''Community portal'''! This is a general listing of easy things you can do to get involved in this project.

{| class="prettytable" width="90%" style="margin: 0 auto 1em;"
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===Create and improve articles===
* [[:Category:Article stubs|Stubs]]: These are articles that someone has marked with <code><nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki></code>, indicating that they need to be expanded and/or improved.
* [[Special:NewPages|Newest articles]]: These brand new articles may need to be reviewed.
* [[Special:ShortPages|Shortest articles]]: Prime candidates for expansion!
* Improve [[:Category:Mises Wiki articles incorporating text from Wikipedia|articles]] incorporating text from Wikipedia.
* [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages by missing links]]: This list shows which nonexistent articles have the most links pointing to them. The "anniversary" entries that you see can be skipped; they're just there as MisesWiki is getting started.
* [[MisesWiki:International|How to create articles in other languages]]: For those interested in creating articles in other languages besides English.
* [[Special:RecentChanges|Most recent changes]]: This is the caretaker link in the sidebar.
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===WikiProjects===
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history]]: An overview of the economic history project here on the Mises Wiki plus some identified economic history items that could use your assistance.
* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]: We need entries for the "[[Template:This week in history|This week in history]]" section of the main page. Find out how to add them here!
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup|Cleanup]]: Interested in helping clean up the wiki? Here are a few examples of ways to help:
** Put [[Special:UncategorizedPages|uncategorized pages]] in categories (see the [[Special:CategoryTree|category tree]] for ideas).
** Add wiki links to [[Special:DeadendPages|dead-end pages]], that is, articles that don't have any links on them.
** [[MisesWiki:Article rating|Article rating]]: vote about wanted improvements and assess the quality to feature readable articles.
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===Help for beginners===
*Ask any general questions you have at the [[MisesWiki:Commons|Mises Commons]].
*Questions specific to a particular article can be raised on the particular article's talk page: click the "discussion" tab at the top.
*To do a test edit, use the [[MisesWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
*For general help, see [[Help:Contents|help pages]], especially how to [[Help:Getting started|get started]].
*There's also a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUI9Ure8JCE video tutorial] on Youtube.
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===Community===
*Join in the Mises Wiki discussion at either of two places:
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**[http://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki Mises Wiki Email List] for future development ideas
*[[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]: Find groups of libertarians, anarchists, and others influenced by the Austrian School near you, or add your group to the list.
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Austrian Economics Wiki:About

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== Mises Wiki vs. Wikipedia ==

Unlike Wikipedia, Mises Wiki is focused on a particular subject area, and it does not attempt to adhere to a policy of neutrality. This gives Mises Wiki editors the freedom to develop articles related to Austro-libertarianism with others who share similar worldviews.

However, this does not mean that Mises Wiki is ''limited'' to topics typically considered to be part of the Austrian School of Economics or libertarianism in general. Instead, the content of any topic can be developed, so long as it furthers the goals of Mises Wiki.

While Mises Wiki is more focused than Wikipedia, and does not require neutrality, the ideas of the Austrian School and libertarianism are not uniform—in fact, among the members of both of these groups there is strong disagreement on many topics. Therefore, articles should use verifiable, reliable sources to compare and contrast the various views within the classical liberal tradition.

Furthermore, many readers may come from other political and economic backgrounds. To encourage them to learn more and ultimately accept Austro-libertarianism, Mises Wiki articles should be accessible to non-Austrians and should attempt to provide a bridge from their worldview—whether neo-conservative, [[John Maynard Keynes|Keynesian]], Green, or anything else—to Austro-libertarian views.



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Austrian Economics Wiki:Community portal

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Welcome to Mises Wiki's '''Community portal'''! This is a general listing of easy things you can do to get involved in this project.

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===Create and improve articles===
* [[:Category:Article stubs|Stubs]]: These are articles that someone has marked with <code><nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki></code>, indicating that they need to be expanded and/or improved.
* [[Special:NewPages|Newest articles]]: These brand new articles may need to be reviewed.
* [[Special:ShortPages|Shortest articles]]: Prime candidates for expansion!
* Improve [http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Category:Mises_Wiki_articles_incorporating_text_from_Wikipedia articles] incorporating text from Wikipedia.
* [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages by missing links]]: This list shows which nonexistent articles have the most links pointing to them. The "anniversary" entries that you see can be skipped; they're just there as MisesWiki is getting started.
* [[MisesWiki:International|How to create articles in other languages]]: For those interested in creating articles in other languages besides English.
* [[Special:RecentChanges|Most recent changes]]: Keep an eye on all the latest changes – it's fun to see all the activity, and who knows, you might find vandalism and spam from statist ne'er-do-wells!
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===WikiProjects===
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history]]: An overview of the economic history project here on the Mises Wiki plus some identified economic history items that could use your assistance.
* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]: We need entries for the "[[Template:This week in history|This week in history]]" section of the main page. Find out how to add them here!
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup|Cleanup]]: Interested in helping clean up the wiki? Here are a few examples of ways to help:
** Put [[Special:UncategorizedPages|uncategorized pages]] in categories (see the [[Special:CategoryTree|category tree]] for ideas).
** Add wiki links to [[Special:DeadendPages|dead-end pages]], that is, articles that don't have any links on them.
** [[MisesWiki:Article rating|Article rating]]: vote about wanted improvements and assess the quality to feature readable articles.
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===Help for beginners===
*Ask any general questions you have at the [[MisesWiki:Commons|Mises Commons]].
*Questions specific to a particular article can be raised on the particular article's talk page: click the "discussion" tab at the top.
*To do a test edit, use the [[MisesWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
*For general help, see [[Help:Contents|help pages]], especially how to [[Help:Getting started|get started]].
*There's also a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUI9Ure8JCE video tutorial] on Youtube.
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===Community===
*Join in the Mises Wiki discussion at either of two places:
**[[MisesWiki:Commons|The Mises Commons]] for questions and proposals
**[http://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki Mises Wiki Email List] for future development ideas
*[[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]: Find groups of libertarians, anarchists, and others influenced by the Austrian School near you, or add your group to the list.
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Austrian Economics Wiki:Community portal

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__NOTOC__
Welcome to Mises Wiki's '''Community portal'''! This is a general listing of easy things you can do to get involved in this project.

{| class="prettytable" width="90%" style="margin: 0 auto 1em;"
| style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #fff5f5; padding: 1em;" |
===Create and improve articles===
* [[:Category:Article stubs|Stubs]]: These are articles that someone has marked with <code><nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki></code>, indicating that they need to be expanded and/or improved.
* [[Special:NewPages|Newest articles]]: These brand new articles may need to be reviewed.
* [[Special:ShortPages|Shortest articles]]: Prime candidates for expansion!
* Improve [[Category:Mises Wiki articles incorporating text from Wikipedia|articles]] incorporating text from Wikipedia.
* [[Special:WantedPages|Most wanted pages by missing links]]: This list shows which nonexistent articles have the most links pointing to them. The "anniversary" entries that you see can be skipped; they're just there as MisesWiki is getting started.
* [[MisesWiki:International|How to create articles in other languages]]: For those interested in creating articles in other languages besides English.
* [[Special:RecentChanges|Most recent changes]]: Keep an eye on all the latest changes – it's fun to see all the activity, and who knows, you might find vandalism and spam from statist ne'er-do-wells!
|style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #fff5f5; padding: 1em;"|

===WikiProjects===
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Economic History|Economic history]]: An overview of the economic history project here on the Mises Wiki plus some identified economic history items that could use your assistance.
* [[MisesWiki:Anniversaries|Anniversaries]]: We need entries for the "[[Template:This week in history|This week in history]]" section of the main page. Find out how to add them here!
* [[MisesWiki:WikiProject Cleanup|Cleanup]]: Interested in helping clean up the wiki? Here are a few examples of ways to help:
** Put [[Special:UncategorizedPages|uncategorized pages]] in categories (see the [[Special:CategoryTree|category tree]] for ideas).
** Add wiki links to [[Special:DeadendPages|dead-end pages]], that is, articles that don't have any links on them.
** [[MisesWiki:Article rating|Article rating]]: vote about wanted improvements and assess the quality to feature readable articles.
|-
| style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #fff5f5; padding: 1em;"|

===Help for beginners===
*Ask any general questions you have at the [[MisesWiki:Commons|Mises Commons]].
*Questions specific to a particular article can be raised on the particular article's talk page: click the "discussion" tab at the top.
*To do a test edit, use the [[MisesWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
*For general help, see [[Help:Contents|help pages]], especially how to [[Help:Getting started|get started]].
*There's also a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUI9Ure8JCE video tutorial] on Youtube.
| style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #fff5f5; padding: 1em;"|

===Community===
*Join in the Mises Wiki discussion at either of two places:
**[[MisesWiki:Commons|The Mises Commons]] for questions and proposals
**[http://groups.google.com/a/mises.com/group/wiki Mises Wiki Email List] for future development ideas
*[[MisesWiki:Meetups|Meetups]]: Find groups of libertarians, anarchists, and others influenced by the Austrian School near you, or add your group to the list.
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